Italian fighters

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by Krusty
Considering that the French folded almost immediately like a house of cards in an earthquake, and that they did almost nothing to the LW planes of the time, and the fact that once the Germans took over they felt the majority of French planes were inferior and delegated them to "advanced trainer" status, I don't think there's any reason to include french planes. They served probably one of the smallest roles in the conflict.

Near the beginning of the conflict a RAF pilot was doing a scout mission in a Hurc Mk.1. This was shortly before France fell. He was approached by no less than 5 Dewoitines and in his dinky Hurc Mk.1. They came in guns blazing, not realizing he was RAF, and he was STILL able to outclimb them then out run them, and get away safely. Read the stats all you want, but that doesnt tell you how the real thing actually flew. From reports I've heard, the French planes were inferior. The only advanced planes they had were toward the END of hte war, when such planes were no longer necessary due to the massive numbers of USAAF planes already filling the role. Said advanced French planes had limitd production run and saw little action if I recall.

I agree with you 100%, but that was France and the war, this is a game. I would never say that the French planes were great, or even really that good, but I would say that some good pilots may enjoy such a challenge when it comes to reinactment and scenarios. For a few, I'm sure that kicking some tail in an underdog would give a great feeling of accomplishment. I think this is why some of the best pilots in here do not choose the uber planes as their ride. If I were flying one, I would die, but that is me. Crappy planes have alot to offer, CHALLENGE!

[frank3]

I might be a little late, but Welcome to Aces High!
Like Angus said, 'it's going to be yer fun for awhile' I, for instance, have been playing since 1999 and still like it!

I really hope to meet you up in the skies mate!

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by straffo
Outstanding display of ignorance and clichés.

Now go out and buy some books.

Hey, STRAFFO, could you recommend some good books on that subject?  most of the material that I have come across is extremely one sided and only takes into account victor pilot testimony, when we all know that their are alot more variables to consider.

[straffo]

Can you read french ?

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by straffo
Can you read french ?

I can always translate, and I don't mind learning French.  I'll just put that in the same place inside my head as all the rest of the things I have learned, that have had limited application for me.

[straffo]

I'm out for 3 days but I'll try to make a short list when back.

[GREENTENERAL]

Originally posted by straffo
I'm out for 3 days but I'll try to make a short list when back.

Thanks alot! I would really apreciate it!

That will really help me make better objective comparisons.

[bunch]

Originally posted by GREENTENERAL
Hey, STRAFFO, could you recommend some good books on that subject?  most of the material that I have come across is extremely one sided and only takes into account victor pilot testimony, when we all know that their are alot more variables to consider.

Paul Ritchey's Fighter Pilot[/i] (the 1st pilot autobiography of ww2, i think) is the book Krusty the Klown was refering & IIRC he refered to it inaccurately.  Fighter Pilot[/i] is an amazingly good book, certainly amongst the best of it's genre, but make sure you get the right book by that title, there are many others

[Schutt]

While the G55 might be a good plane i am more intrested in getting the list complete of planes that were used in ww2 more frequent.

There are still a lot of planes that were produced and flowen more than 1000 times. So best way in my eyes would be put up the numbers of units in combat service for planes from '39-'45 and see which we miss, from top down.

My personal guess is we get to 30 before the FIAT G.55 that are not implemented yet in ah2, but thats only a guess.

ciao schutt

[gatt]

Originally posted by Krusty
Only reason people want the G55 is the same reason people wanted the P38G. They think it will out fly and out shoot any other plane in the game. We have enough uber planes by my counting.
I hope we never get it. But that's just me.

Check better your books Krusty (if you have any): the G.55 was definitely not an uber fighter. It mounted the DB605A-1 engine and weighted more then a C.205. Its max speed at 22-23K was 385mph TAS. More or less like an early 109G-6. But it was stable and its punch was deadly. Hardly an uber ride. But above all it was a beauty:

[straffo]

Originally posted by GREENTENERAL
Thanks alot! I would really apreciate it!

That will really help me make better objective comparisons.

the best one is this one
http://www.aerostories.org/~aerobiblio/article.php3?id_article=61
unfortunatly it's sold out.

And I won't give you mine

[hawker238]

[storch]

Rocky Marciano & Jake LaMotta

[M.C.202]

Hey Storch, I got to ride on one of those Italian fighters :-) The Uber one :-)
Rocky Marciano came by the house for dinner when I was a pup, somewhere there is a pic of me sitting on his shoulder. The house was on Bay Shore Drive, back in the mid '50s. Your namesake  was a guest too (Larry Storch)

[storch]

Originally posted by M.C.202
Hey Storch, I got to ride on one of those Italian fighters :-) The Uber one :-)
Rocky Marciano came by the house for dinner when I was a pup, somewhere there is a pic of me sitting on his shoulder. The house was on Bay Shore Drive, back in the mid '50s. Your namesake  was a guest too (Larry Storch)

woohoo bayshore drive during the mid '50s  you should see it now.  but I think it had way more elan back then.  I used to valet at the fountainbleau when ben novak owned it in the early '70s and all the wiseguys hung out there.  I met both mr. marciano and mr. lamotta among others.