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Offline GREENTENERAL

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« on: March 11, 2005, 05:59:50 PM »
Hi! I'm very new here, just got the game today.

I was wondering about something that I just came across as I was looking at the different fighters that are available.
In the Italian section, where is the Fiat G.55/O Centauro?  
I'm by no means an expert, but I have always been told that it was the best Italian fighter of WWII.  Is this wrong?  I just thought it was kind of strange that the C.202 would be there for it's significance even though it is a bit poopy woopy, yet the Fiat is left out.  

I'm guessing that very few people use the 2 Italian fighters that are offered, and for good reason, unless they are really good for reasons that I am unaware of.

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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2005, 06:37:45 PM »
WELCOME TO AH!

At the present we only have two Italian aircraft in the game - the C.202 & C.205.

While the G.55 was probabily the Standard fighter of the IAF during WW2 the best was definately the C.205 hands down.

And while alot of folks don't like the IAF fighters - a good pilot in them can keep up with the Spitfires and just about any other Allied aircraft.

Come over and try out the COMBAT THEATER - this week both the C.202 & C.205 are available there against their historical counterparts.

Again, welcome to AH!  :aok
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2005, 07:09:45 PM »
Thanks for the welcome!

I'll definately try those. Right now, I'm really liking the DORA.
This game is very detailed, very cool! If I get my skills up, I'll try the 109s next.  

Do they put new aircraft in the game? That would be very nice.

Maybe some of the French fighters would be a nice addition as well, and of course the one Australian bird would be cool.

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« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2005, 11:11:36 AM »
the 205 is a good fighter, new planes and GV's are added in an ongoing basis.

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« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2005, 11:24:46 AM »
Very sweet!
With most sims, I could care less weather they get more stuff, but I really like this one, and I really like the fact that it expands.

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« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2005, 07:34:15 AM »
Welcome.
It's gonna be yer fun for a long time. And we will definately see more Italian fighters in the future.
It was very interesting to carry out the flight trials at Rechlin with the Spitfire and the Hurricane. Both types are very simple to fly compared to our aircraft, and childishly easy to take-off and land. (Werner Mölders)

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« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2005, 09:25:00 AM »
Hmmm, I wouldnt be so optimistic about italian fighters. Judging from what has been added and from the time it took, I'm quite sure we wont see the nice G.55 Centauro.

Actually PYRO should have the original G.55 flight manual but (I sent it to HTC some years ago), climb and speed performance specs apart, it probably lacks many hard data.
"And one of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi C.205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of italian styling and german engineering .... it really was a delight to fly ... and we did tests on it and were most impressed." - Captain Eric Brown

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Re: Italian fighters
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2005, 09:51:46 AM »
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Originally posted by GREENTENERAL
Hi! I'm very new here, just got the game today.

I was wondering about something that I just came across as I was looking at the different fighters that are available.
In the Italian section, where is the Fiat G.55/O Centauro?  
I'm by no means an expert, but I have always been told that it was the best Italian fighter of WWII.  Is this wrong?  I just thought it was kind of strange that the C.202 would be there for it's significance even though it is a bit poopy woopy, yet the Fiat is left out.  

I'm guessing that very few people use the 2 Italian fighters that are offered, and for good reason, unless they are really good for reasons that I am unaware of.


     Of the 212 G.55s produced, 85 were postwar...it's a good bet
you didn't see a whole bunch of them flying during the war.
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Re: Italian fighters
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2005, 11:12:18 AM »
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In the Italian section, where is the Fiat G.55/O Centauro?  
I'm by no means an expert, but I have always been told that it was the best Italian fighter of WWII.  Is this wrong?
I'm guessing that very few people use the 2 Italian fighters that are offered, and for good reason, unless they are really good for reasons that I am unaware of.


Well, probably it was probably the best italian *high altitude interceptor* with his 3x20mm and 2x12,7mm and plenty of ammo. The Luftwaffe test pilots loved it becouse it was better than the wing gondolas armed early 109G-6 and the 190A. During 1943 actually the LW lacked an heavy armed good high alt interceptor.

It had more wing area than the C.205 so at high altitudes it turned better and was a more stable gun platform. However as speed and climb performance are concerned, the C.205 was better. The more you lower the alt of the fight and the better the C.205 is compared with the G.55. All in all the C.205 is (probably) a better energy MA fighter.
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"And one of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi C.205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of italian styling and german engineering .... it really was a delight to fly ... and we did tests on it and were most impressed." - Captain Eric Brown

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« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2005, 01:14:45 PM »
I guess it is pretty difficult to find detailed info on these things, especially when you consider pilot accounts.  The role in attack vs. defend can make a big difference in how a battle was flown

I think that some planes get a bad rep simply because their pilots were not as experienced or they were always forced into the role at a disadvantage, weather they were outnumbered or forced to defend. Then there is the painful task of sifting through propaganda, which all sides were very guilty of.  I guess in times of war this may be a neccecary evil to keep moral up, but now that it is over it is a pain in the arse.  I don't know how many times I've picked up a book about the subject that was written here, only to see that it was slaughtered by the U.S anti-iconoclast dweebs. Same goes for the foreign material. I don't see why they felt the need to to lie about the performance of the craft. It seemed that they loved to protect the integrity of the engineers even if it meant that this would downplay the skill of their pilots, and now that alot of the smoke is clear, some of these planes are nearly extinct and the pilots have died of old age.

 I love machines, but I will always beleive that pilot skill is a more important factor when considering aircraft within it's perameters.  I would not go as far as saying that any plane will do for a great pilot (although there are probably some pilots in here that are good enough to shoot everyone down equipped only with a Jungmeister and a revolver), but I would say that alot of aircraft in that era had alot more potential than they are given credit for.

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« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2005, 01:30:49 PM »
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Well, probably it was probably the best italian *high altitude interceptor* with his 3x20mm and 2x12,7mm and plenty of ammo. The Luftwaffe test pilots loved it becouse it was better than the wing gondolas armed early 109G-6 and the 190A. During 1943 actually the LW lacked an heavy armed good high alt interceptor.

It had more wing area than the C.205 so at high altitudes it turned better and was a more stable gun platform. However as speed and climb performance are concerned, the C.205 was better. The more you lower the alt of the fight and the better the C.205 is compared with the G.55. All in all the C.205 is (probably) a better energy MA fighter.


Yes that is true, they were definately different beasts of different function. Oh, I just noticed that I messed up the name of the plane.  It should be the Fiat G.55/I not the O. The O was the weaker version with less firepower.

The main reason I would like to see the Fiat, is that I beleive that it would be very complementary to the 205 and other aircraft, and probably alot of fun as well.

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« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2005, 03:21:38 PM »
"While the G.55 was probabily the Standard fighter of the IAF during WW2"

Hardly!! Way more c.205s were made than were made with the G55, and the c.205 was a rare bird itself!

No, if you're looking for standard Italian planes during the second world war, you need to look for the G50, the CR 200 or maybe (maybe) the Re2000 radial series.

Only reason people want the G55 is the same reason people wanted the P38G. They think it will out fly and out shoot any other plane in the game. We have enough uber planes by my counting.

I hope we never get it. But that's just me.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2005, 03:55:42 PM »
Only reason people want the G55 is the same reason people wanted the P38G. They think it will out fly and out shoot any other plane in the game. We have enough uber planes by my counting.

I hope we never get it. But that's just me. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually, I don't know if I could call G55 an uber plane.  It does have it's weaknesses as described by GATT, but I do think it was a good plane. I am also for seeing some French aircraft, not because I think that they are the best or anything, but I think that this would make for some interesting scenarios and recreations that are not possible without them.

I will still have my short list of favs, that do not include the G55.  I just really like variety, but the idea of introducing more nice planes does not intimidate me in the least.  I think it would help break up the usual tight followings of some of the more popular aircrafts in the game and create an even more rich environment to play in.

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2005, 04:06:25 PM »
Considering that the French folded almost immediately like a house of cards in an earthquake, and that they did almost nothing to the LW planes of the time, and the fact that once the Germans took over they felt the majority of French planes were inferior and delegated them to "advanced trainer" status, I don't think there's any reason to include french planes. They served probably one of the smallest roles in the conflict.

Near the beginning of the conflict a RAF pilot was doing a scout mission in a Hurc Mk.1. This was shortly before France fell. He was approached by no less than 5 Dewoitines and in his dinky Hurc Mk.1. They came in guns blazing, not realizing he was RAF, and he was STILL able to outclimb them then out run them, and get away safely. Read the stats all you want, but that doesnt tell you how the real thing actually flew. From reports I've heard, the French planes were inferior. The only advanced planes they had were toward the END of hte war, when such planes were no longer necessary due to the massive numbers of USAAF planes already filling the role. Said advanced French planes had limitd production run and saw little action if I recall.

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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2005, 04:29:16 PM »
Outstanding display of ignorance and clichés.

Now go out and buy some books.