they gotta be kidding

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Russian
Make her dig her own grave and then shoot her.

YEA!:aok

LMAO

[RTStuka]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
your forgetting who else screwed up..

the Child and the parents.

Its this bleeding heart attitude of not properly diciplining your kids that has juvinile crime at an all time high.

30, 40 + years ago kids would never dare do half the crap they do today cause they know they would get their hides tanned if they did.

Now its "the teachers fault" the cops Fault", "the systems fault"

Everybodies fault cept who did the deed.

and yes children throw tantrums.

Mine have and I've given them a swat for it. No I didnt beat them. I havent ever had to.
 And any swat I've given them was no harder then a swat I have given them playing with them.
the only difference is instead of being playful Ive said "there now you have a reason to cry now knock it off"
But they know I wont tolerate it so they dont do it.

Old Family saying. "everyone need a well deserved pat on the back every once in a while its just a matter of a couple feet where"

With reguards to the kid. No charges were filed. And no teacher will ever have to worry about warning her more then once cause now she knows what may happen.

Like I said. some emotional scarring is good.

Kinda like the first time you grab onto a hot pot without checking first.

Very well stated Dred, my post was along the same lines, you hit the nail on the head, Manedews post was def. pointing to the big problem in todays society. Growing up if I ever did something like this your right the teacher wouldnt call the cops but they would def. get the point across that I should stop. Now a days if the teacher did that they would be fired and the parent would be all over them, so they have to call the Cops because their hands are tied. Secondly if I ever did screw up in school and got punished there was no way in hell i was coming home and telling my folks, I would spend the next month hoping they never found out because if they did I would get punishment round 2 from them, and the teacher would probably get sent a card in appology for my actions.

[Fishu]

They should do that more often. Would be more peaceful classes for the other kids.
Maybe the parents would then pay more attention to raising their kid, when their 5-9 year old kid gets arrested by the cops for throwing objects etc. at the school.

[wrag]

I meant if you use physical punishment such as the palm of your hand on the childs bottom.  

The old school method, in some states, is now a NO-NO!

You can or will find yourself in some real trouble if you punish using physical discipline.  CA is one of the worst!

The PROPER/politically correct way is now something like the super nanny program on TV.

And WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!  From everything I've read and heard, from those that have reason to know, YOU do NOT want Child Protective Services involved in your life in any, way, shape, or form!

Word is the funding of CPS is directly related to how many children are in their care.  The more children the more money for all.

Word is they will outright lie to you about your rights.

Word is they will seek enterance to your home and look for any and all things that might possibly be used against you.  Cloths on the floor?  Books on the floor? Anything that is even slightly out of order is grounds, and can be used, for taking your kids.

They will use the if you won't let me into your house? then you have something hide approach.  Never mind that it's your home and you have the right to privacy.

They will bring police or deputy sheriffs and try to force their way in to your home illegally claiming they have the right.  No warrent, no nothing, just claim they have the right.

If you don't believe me look it up.  It's all out there.

The Foster Care system has some very interesting stuff happening in it now as well.

[Manedew]

are you trolling or do you really think a 5 year old needs to be sent a message by being arrested?

Let me ask you parents ....

Would you ever tie up your child hand and foot and lock them in a car because of a tantrum?


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oh and BTW  ..... Trained teachers use restraining methods .... Physical but non-violent..... They didn't have one trained special-ed teacher in the building to restrain the child?

I imagine most of you could restrain a 5 year old without causeing her harm and without letting her kick you in the shin? (More than once or twice:rolleyes: )

I doubt any parent here would ever tie up thier child, or admit to it.... But I bet they've restrained them countless times.......think about that you dolts.....

[DREDIOCK]

Wrag. oh I beleive you.
California is well known for its bleeding heart kooks. Just look at Hollywood.

Guess I wont be moving to Cali any time soon.

If I did I'd haveta suggest a bunch of people update their life insurance policies.

there are only a few things I'd be willing to fight, Kill and die for. My kids are one of them

[DREDIOCK]

No Troll here. but

whatever works

And I didnt see anywhere where it said the child was harmed.

But I have seen kids freak out to the point where they should have been restrained by any means necessary including cuffs and I wouldnt have had a problem with it if they were.

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Manedew
How very nice of you .... no

The school screwed up, the teacher screwed up ....

and the cops screwed up......

Pathetic ......  
and they blame the child .... the education bueacracy is a joke .... your talking about a 5 year old..... OMG they throw temper tantrums .... and you ADULTS deal with it ... if it's a consistant proablem they have 'emotionaly disturbed' special classes for kids that can't hold thier temper....  
          My mother taught one of these classes, she got beat on by kids reagularly..... She would come home with bruises, but she always managed to contain the situation without arresting the kids..... kids that ranged in age to 5th grade(whatever age that is) alot older than 5.......

She's delt with it .... she never had to call the cops or have these much more violent students arrested .....

Pathetic ......   yes the 5 year old was setup, setup by a crapy education bueracracy, setup by Adults ......

I'd sue the school too ..... that Teacher shouldn't be teaching young children IMHO with an attitude like that ..... children throw tantrums .... it happens.... deal with it or teach highschool kids ... if one of them attacks you .. ya arrest them! .... but a 5 year old .. are you crazy?!?!, or never seen a 5 year old?

Each of my 3 kids threw tantrums.... once

[Gunslinger]

"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."

OK as a parent of a 5 year old in kintergarden I have to admit that she has a temper.

But I would never blame this on the school

she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.

I would be mortified.  I don't see how the school "set her up" to do all this stuff.  Seriously, the parent has to take responsability for the actions of their child and not blame somone/somthing else.

During her suspension I would take time off of work to TEACH her how to write an appology letter.  She would write one to everyone involvled in the incident.

this is after the bellybutton woopin of a lifetime of course.

[SKJohn]

Originally posted by DREDIOCK
your forgetting who else screwed up..

the Child and the parents.

Its this bleeding heart attitude of not properly diciplining your kids that has juvinile crime at an all time high.

30, 40 + years ago kids would never dare do half the crap they do today cause they know they would get their hides tanned if they did.

Now its "the teachers fault" the cops Fault", "the systems fault"

 

Some 35 years ago I made the mistake of using the teacher's magnifying glass to light the classroom trashcan on fire while she was out of the room.
Teacher came back in - threw trashcan out door - gave me several swats with a paddle.
Took me to principal's office - more swats with bigger paddle.
Principal called parents, came and got me, took me home.  Then the REAL punishment started.....
I never lit another trashcan on fire in a classroom after that - I'd somehow lost all desire to do those kind of things.....

Now, having been a public school teacher for the last 16+ years, I can look at my students and tell you which ones have some sort of discipline at home, and which ones do whatever the heck they want to and basically run the show.  The 2nd group are the ones who have no respect for others, fail to do any assignments, are shocked to find out there are consequences for their actions, etc.  They are also the ones who, when you do call their parents, the parents usually threaten to sue you for "mentally harrassing" their child, cuss you out, etc.
I often think that if we were to follow Singapore's example of public caning, a lot of the crap in the schools would quickly disappear.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

You guys are missing the big picture.

First its counting jelly beans, then the next logical step is counting crack rocks. Then when she's broke because she stopped working and kept buying, counting, and smoking rocks, she became enraged and killed several honest working white folks that were stellar members of society to get cash for her next big score. Then she would get arrested, go for a plea bargain, and get thrown into jail for a 5 to 10 year stint based on good behavior, get out, and do the same thing again.  

So see, we saved society from this worthless drug addicted drain before it escalated to even more vicious crimes. And by society, I mean white people.
-SW

[Nash]

lol!

[Cobra412]

If my kid is stupid enough to do anything as they said this child did she deserves the same treatment.  If they use the same amount of force I would have had to use to restrain her in the same situation I'm all for it.  The key is not using excessive force.  

For starters the child will definately think twice before doing something like this again.  If the parent is incapable of seeing that their childs action were far out of line and that they obviously need to do more to keep their child in line then they shouldn't have the child in the first place.

The brat and her parents are lucky the district doesn't raise charges on the mother due to the childs destructive behaviour and endangerment of the other children.  It's a typical case of mommy or daddy claiming their child is an angel and claiming that he/she requires no disciplining.  "Set my baby up"?  Gimme a freaking break.  Kid fails to show any kind of discipline and goes on a rampage when her jelly beans are taken from her for acting out of line in class.  It's the typical disrespectful children we see in todays society because the parents are to lazy to teach their kids respect and how to act accordingly.

You can't tell me that any child that throws a fit like this is the first time they've ever done such a thing and that her parents haven't seen it themselves.

And Mane that isn't a tantrum that is a destructive rampage.  They are 2 completely different animals.  If the parents were raising their children accordingly and disciplining their children like they should be when they get out of hand then it would have never happenend in the first place.  The parents set the school up because they are incapable of raising their child to be civil.  That's the typical excuse to blame it on everyone else instead of taking responsibility for your inability to keep your child in line.  The parent has the ability to discipline their child in a situation like that whereas in school the faculty can't do much more than say no or stop and call the parents because of the very possible threat of legal actions against them for something that is ultimately the parents fault.  

And yes I would restrain my child in a similiar manner if their actions are or could be harmful to others.  If they can't understand the concept of keeping their hands and feet to themselves and to not try and hurt someone then they deserve it.  Not every child that age are going on destructive rampages when they are disciplined so why is this child doing it?  It all comes back to the parents.

[6GunUSMC]

Bring back the Ass-Whipping!!!  IT and the fear of it kept me out of any trouble both in school and in the years that followed!

[Airhead]

Originally posted by FUNKED1
I would speculate on the race of the brat, but I would be racist, and right.

Exactly Funked, I was thinking the same thing- there's no way a white five year old would be treated in such a manner. Obviously this child is black.