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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #90 on: March 24, 2005, 06:44:09 AM »
Lets just say this, the Labour party who I have supported all my adult life have lost my vote. we have an election coming and I will vote for whoever has the best exit strategy from this mess in Iraq.

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« Reply #91 on: March 24, 2005, 06:55:06 AM »
Fair enough.
  Now , you have claimed that beleive more fortunate countries such as your and mine should help less fortunate countries, right? I believe your point was to level the playing field so to speak.
So , what about the Kuwaitis and Iraqis?
Were we just supposed to leave them to the hands of an insane, murderous dictator?
  They don`t count or what? I don`t get it.
Were in other countries fighting terrorist cells and tryin to prevent terrorist training, backing, etc.
  So what about the countries, including yours and mine, that these terrorist attacks and kills,mames and disrupts.
  Are we not supposed to do anything about this?
  Do we stick our head in the sand and pretend it doesn`t exist and wait for more attacks, then say "Why didn`t someone prevent this?"
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« Reply #92 on: March 24, 2005, 08:26:43 AM »
this is so typical of the socialist pansy zulu... you want everyone else to give yet you want to be able to wide your widdle motorcycle in your widdle leather outfit..  rebel without a clue..  

You offer no solution and can make no comment on mine yet you still insist that we should all... all what?  you want us to somehow make mexico as economicaly viable as the U.S.   You leave out all the minor little details like resources and politics tho.

My solution would work no matter how much you don't like it..  You don't like it because it lacks that free ride element that you and your red cell mates embrace.

As for your government... who cares?  I don't want to know anything about it... And as for Bush....  Like over 50% of the voters here... I voted for him and it had nothing to do with the war... I voted for him because he was as far from socialism as any recent viable candidate has been...

I am quite happy with him and quite happy with the way the war is going.   I would suggest that if you are not then you do something about your countries involvement from your end.

What you consider a socialist paradise I consider a living hell... england would probly be one of the bottom ten countries I would ever choose to live in.

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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #93 on: March 24, 2005, 05:41:44 PM »
Jackal1

As far as I know we didn't have a massive immigration problem with Iraqis coming here. Life wasn't great I'm sure under Saddam. But then It's not realy that great for them now is it!?

We didn't have Iraqi terrorists threatening us before that invasion. Saddam's regime had nothing to do with 911 or Al Quaeda. Unlike Saudi Arabia! A country that still holds public executions, and is not a democratic nation! Or Kuwait a country that is not democratic and still sanctions a virtual form of slavery.

Yes by all means go get the perpetrators of terrorist attacks on your country. Just as we did and do in Northern Ireland and as you may have noticed I have made no comment on the attacks on Afghanistan. I have no issue with trying to decapitate the Al Quaeda organistaion and remove their base of operations in Afghanistan. But the war in Iraq achieved none of that. Our stupid Govt and yours got us into a situation which has only made the danger for us all worse. We have given the nutters another reason to attack us. Bad bad foreign policy.

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If I ride my bike or not it makes no difference to the worlds poor. Unlike governments cancelling foreign debt, or investing in AIDS treatment, or Sexual health education, or the infrastructure of poorer nations, or the education of poorer peoples etc etc etc.
How much could be achieved if we took all that money we spend on weapons etc and invested it in these things instead? You Don't need B2 bombers, Challenger or Abrahms battle tanks, nuclear submarines, to name but a few weapon systems, to fight terrorists.

One tiny small thing we can all do is buy fair trade goods! Like Chocolate Tea and coffee. Just and idea thousands of small gestures make one big one.

Now as for your comment on over 50% voting for Bush let me quote another BBs poster here

"you think more than half of the americans voted for bush? If I remember correctly, the total number of votes was against bush in the previous elections.

Not to mention that this is only of those who actually voted (not every one votes) - so the actual number of people who voted for bush is much less than 50% and therefore a minority vs. the not-voted for bush."

(thanks bozon)

Sorry to resurrect this one but its an interesting debate.
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« Reply #94 on: March 24, 2005, 08:35:35 PM »
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Jackal1

As far as I know we didn't have a massive immigration problem with Iraqis coming here. Life wasn't great I'm sure under Saddam. But then It's not realy that great for them now is it!?
 


  Well the Iraqi immigration wasn`t what I was asking about, but yes, we do have immigrants from all over the world here.
  Life wasn`t great for them under Saddam is a bit more than the understatement of the year. He was massively murdering his own people. Hell, he killed a lot of his own family. Yes, I would say their life is a lot. lot. even immesnely better now with a bright prospect for the future. I didn`t even mention the Kurds now did I?
OK, so we have found out that your leveling the field and helping less fortunate countries like you suggested earlier is at best selective. In other words you want them helped only when you think it might directly benefit you. That`s plain enough. You also wish for someone other than yourself or your country to do the "helping" when it comes down to it.
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We didn't have Iraqi terrorists threatening us before that invasion. Saddam's regime had nothing to do with 911 or Al Quaeda.


By "we" I`m assuming you mean your country. They are way more of a threat than you grasp. Saddam`s regime had a lot to do with 911 and Al Quaida. Terorist training, financial backing, weapons, intelligence shared, etc. Al Quaida now has openly pledged it`s support to continue it`s fight against us and to continue to fight for the return of a rule such as Saddam had.
  Sticking your head in the sand and pretending it doesn`t exist only makes them stronger, gives them time to prepare more attacks and to build finances, resources, etc.
  Personaly I`m proud to see it being taken care of at the root of the problem, instead of waiting to see more  civilian citizens slaughtered on our own soil and waiting for the attacks to get worse and more terrible. Do you think by ignoring such things they will just go away. That is childish and quite frankly totaly chicken chit.

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Yes by all means go get the perpetrators of terrorist attacks on your country. Just as we did and do in Northern Ireland and as you may have noticed I have made no comment on the attacks on Afghanistan. I have no issue with trying to decapitate the Al Quaeda organistaion and remove their base of operations in Afghanistan. But the war in Iraq achieved none of that.


 The war in Iraq is serving several purposes. All good.
  This is where you start back peadling and contradicting your own statements to suit what you think is best for you at any particular time. Old saying..you can`t have your cake and eat it too. You are trying to eat your cake and want someone else to keep you supplied.
  Yea, I noticed you have made no comments of Afghanistan. That`s why I did. :D  Once again you can`t pick and choose what suits only you. I`d go so far to say that so far you have tryed to blame everything that you consider a discomfort to you on someone else. namely the U.S. I`d also go so far to say that you really don`t give a damn about your own country. You only think of yourself, not what`s right for your country. Not what`s the right thing to do, but just YOU. As long as you can try to blame someone else for anything that doesn`t suit you, you are all set. I`d say you would make a piss poor countryman in any country.
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Our stupid Govt and yours got us into a situation which has only made the danger for us all worse. We have given the nutters another reason to attack us. Bad bad foreign policy.


  Our government didn`t get you into any damn thing. If you feel your government is wrong , work on it from that end. Quit blaming the U.S. because you are chicken chit. You`d be chicken watermelon with or without us. With or without your own government.
 Only made matters worse huh? So you think by ignoring them, they would just stop because you want the bad men to go away? BS.
  They didn`t need another reason to attack us. They had all the fuel they needed after 911. Attacks by now would have probably made 911 look like a walk in the park if something hadn`t been done. We are hitting them on their own turf. We are making things very, very uncomfortable for them. It`s hard to organize when you are constantly being hunted and getting the watermelon kicked out of you. The decision has been made that enough is enough and I`m damn proud of it.
  You sir are a farce. A fake. You don`t have the backbone of a squid. You stand for nothing.
Were not interested in your BS socialists, quasi-commie BS either. I `m willing to bet the reason you have to come here to spew that antiU.S. crap is that you`d get the crap kicked out of ya if you tryed it in your country. I know you would here.
  Quit blaming others because the world does not revolve around you.
 Take your comments concerning the U.S. to your brothers at the next propaganda reading.
  You don`t give a rat`s *** about other people or other countries. You only care for yourself and I don`t think you are very comfortable in your own company.
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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #95 on: March 25, 2005, 03:45:05 AM »
You seem confused.

Are you saying you believe Iraq was behind 911?

Please don't tell me so.

I have no problems with taking out terrorists. But that isn't what the war in Iraq was about.

Osama is still at large and his organistaion still at work.Why? Because we diverted our attention to Iraq. A war that edidn't need fighting.

 If our govts hadn't entangled us in Iraq we wouldn't have Al Quaeda plediging to fight us there. Why are Al Quaeda attacking us you might ask? Well maybe it has something to do with western forces being stationed in the Middle East.  Why do we need troops in the Middle East? I can't see a reason unless its to ensure govts there do what we want. Colonialism by the back door?

Simple solution get out of dodge. Then The mad mullahs etc can sort themselves out. We are not serving the Wests interest by being tangled up in the middle east.

Now as for my stance on helping the poor of the world. If you read my thread properly you might see that i'm not exactly advocating it because i am some  bleeding heart who will scarifice everything to help someone else. ( much as I admire those who do ) I actualy advocated the strategy because I think It is a sensible and more humane way of dealing with the Immigration problem we have here in the UK and the originator of this thread seems to think is a problem in the US. Make so that they don't want to come here because life there is OK and we have less of a problem. Most people don't care if they have a dictator or a democracy as long as there is food, healthcare, education, infrastructure etc etc and they can get on with their lives.  And if they care enough they do something about it themselves. Look at eastern Europe.

Yes I will do something my end. I won't vote for the idiot who lied to us and got us entangled in the mess.

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« Reply #96 on: March 25, 2005, 06:14:43 AM »
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You seem confused.

Are you saying you believe Iraq was behind 911?

Please don't tell me so.

I have no problems with taking out terrorists. But that isn't what the war in Iraq was about.
 


 You wish I was as confused as you are, but no, I`m not a very good candidate for your BS indoctrination. Better dead than red. :D
  Any where there is terrosrist training, funding and backing is our enemy at the moment and yes Iraq is damn sure one of them, but you allready know that. Your just looking for an easy way out where someone else carries the load and cures your little problems.
  You have no problem with taking out terrorisats?  I don`t imagine you do as long as someone else does it.

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If our govts hadn't entangled us in Iraq we wouldn't have Al Quaeda plediging to fight us there. Why are Al Quaeda attacking us you might ask? Well maybe it has something to do with western forces being stationed in the Middle East. Why do we need troops in the Middle East? I can't see a reason unless its to ensure govts there do what we want. Colonialism by the back door?


  So now it`s "our governments " eh? Changing your stripes again as usual.
  If we hadn`t built the Twin Towers here, the gutless bastards wouldn`t have flew planes into killing civilians either. Is that the way you view things in your cowardly way? You don`t have to answer that one. I allready know the answer. Your a gutless wonder.
  We , as in the U.S. needs troops in the middle east to do just what we are doing. Getting rid of wholesale murder and cutting the snake`s head off instead of kissing the snake`s *** as seems to be your theory.
 
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Simple solution get out of dodge. Then The mad mullahs etc can sort themselves out. We are not serving the Wests interest by being tangled up in the middle east.


  Yea, run, let the people there suffer and be killed. Return another insane, murderous dictator to power to be unleashed on the population again. Give free reign for terrorist training. Open the door for even more horror and act like it don`t exist. May be your solution as to be expected because , as I have said, it`s obvious you have no back bone and you made it clear that you give a damn less about anyone but yourself.
  It don`t work like that here hoss. These colors don`t run.
 Were not serving the west.? Just sit and wait. Let them continue building up strength, murdering , torturing  and go about their merry, murderous way. Stick your head in the sand and act like it doesn`t exist. Some friggen solution you have there. So we`ll scratch the middle eastern people from your "help the world be a better place" farce. You don`t give a chit. Your a coward and you are putting it in text.

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Now as for my stance on helping the poor of the world. If you read my thread properly you might see that i'm not exactly advocating it because i am some bleeding heart who will scarifice everything to help someone else.


  Oh, I`m reading you properly there Red Boy. You wish to sacrifice nothing. You were only talking BS. You won`t someone else to do it. As long as someone else does it , it`s fine. The world according to Zulu. :D

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Most people don't care if they have a dictator or a democracy as long as there is food, healthcare, education, infrastructure etc etc and they can get on with their lives. And if they care enough they do something about it themselves.


That is possibly the most assinine statement you have made so far. Yea, everyone is just happy as a peach watching their family members get killed one by one, having everything they work for all their lives taken from them and living with an axe over their head until they die.
  With that reasoning you could safely say that WWII was totaly uncalled for. Maybe we should have left Hitler alone and he would have went away. With your reasoning we could have said ..Hell, let the Jewish people break out of the concentration camps and do something about it themselves. Guess they could have taken control and kicked the living crap out of Hitler`s Nazis.
You are a total moron.

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Yes I will do something my end.


  Yea, you will do something on your end allright. You will sit on it and continue to whine and moan while blaming someone else with the worlds problems.
  I haven`t seen someone back pedal so much , bob and weave, try to balance and still come out falling on their *** since I was a kid at the circus watching a drunk performer trying to ride a unicycle on a tight wire.
  You should have been a zebra with interchangeable stripes. One stripe would still remain constant though. The yellow one extending the length of your back.
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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #97 on: March 25, 2005, 08:31:50 AM »
geeze zulu/skydancer... get a grip.  The question was how to stop illegal immigration.  I gave a simple and workable solution that you have yet to admit to.

You gave a pie in the sky touchy feely solution that may or may not work in a bunch of decades... more likely any money spent the way you suggest would just line the pockets of crooked politicians in those countries and the scum bag U.N. with no improvement in conditions for the people.   You simply refuse to admit that my solution makes more sense so far as getting the job done.  

Now you go on about Bush... Over 50% of the voters wanted him... the rest simply don't care as evidenced by their lack of participation.   If pressed... they probly would be just like everyone else and be 50% or better for Bush.  Get over it.. we like him.   I feel relieved that he is in and that  we are that much safer from socialist busybodie nannies trying to interfere in everyones lives.

Idon't know if our army is a deterent or not but we certainly need to have some standing force and to fund it in case some new euro nutjob starts another world war as they are wont to do every half a century or so.

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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #98 on: March 25, 2005, 09:28:12 AM »
Urm Jackal1 What are you doing about all these things you feel so strongly about? aside from sitting on your backside typing out a string of thinly veiled insults and redneck tosh of course!

Don't we elect politicians and see them earn far more than we, to do this stuff. Now If I was the chancellor of the exchequer, the PM or the foreign minister maybe I could do something. But I'm not so I do what I can and vote for those I think will best represent me.



So why aren't you out there in Iraq like rambo with an M60 in each hand bringing peace and stability to the region. Oh yeah probably because you are a regular guy like me with an opinion who enjoys the discussion!

:lol :lol :lol

lazs.

I never said your solution wouldn't work. ( at least I don't think I did ) i simply think we need to look at long term solutions as the walls we build and stricter border control etc only have a limited effect and in the end fail if the pressure put on them is enough.

Happy easter to you both by the way:aok
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« Reply #99 on: March 25, 2005, 03:15:53 PM »
skymincer.... I never said anything about building walls.   My plan does away with walls.  I have no problem with helping them with free trade... I have a problem with funneling money into the hands of their corrupt politicians or ultra sleazy groups like the U.N.

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« Reply #100 on: March 25, 2005, 07:33:02 PM »
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Urm Jackal1 What are you doing about all these things you feel so strongly about? aside from sitting on your backside typing out a string of thinly veiled insults and redneck tosh of course!
 


  Geez slick, are you friggen blind also. If you think those insults were veiled, then get your eyes checked. I can`t make them any plainer in text. I call a spade a spade..or in your case a joker a joker.
  What do I do? The same damn thing I`ve been telling you to do in YOUR country.
  If I think something needs changing or is not right , I get involved in any way possible. It`s my country. I am a part of it. I am damn proud to be an American.
  Tell ya what I don`t do. I don`t start sniveling and whining like you do when the chips are down and we have troops in combat situations. I support my country. I support our troops to the fullest extent.
  I take part in any way I possibly can when help is needed. I speak my piece and make my voice heard. I do my part localy when people needs help. I do what I can do, no matter what. When I believe in something, it`s pretty hard to stop me.

 
 
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Don't we elect politicians and see them earn far more than we, to do this stuff. Now If I was the chancellor of the exchequer, the PM or the foreign minister maybe I could do something. But I'm not so I do what I can and vote for those I think will best represent me.

  Nobody, absolutely nobody can do anything without the support or the input of the people they are put in place to serve. You damn sure don`t have a problem here making comments about my country, which you have proven you know less than jack watermelon about, and putting forth what you propose to be ALL the answers. You don`t have a problem coming to a U.S. based board and putting forth what you consider is all wrong about the U.S. (even as totaly lame and uninformed as they have been).
  You should be working on what you consider is wrong with your country by getting involved, but instead you come here to bash the U.S. and share your lack of wisdom on what is wrong with us. Like I said you want everything done, you just want someone else to do it. I have no problem believing voting is all you do, if you even do that.
  So far every thread you have gotten involved in here, in a very short time , YOU prove yourself a wannabe and a very uninformed one at that.
  Get involved or you don`t deserve the right to critique the actions of your own country, not to mention mine.

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So why aren't you out there in Iraq like rambo with an M60 in each hand bringing peace and stability to the region.


  If I could be in Iraq or Afganistan bud, I would have allready been gone like a wild goose in winter.

 
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Oh yeah probably because you are a regular guy like me with an opinion who enjoys the discussion!

  If I ever consider myself even remotely like you I will save the world the trouble and find a dark hole to climb into. People like you aren`t my favorite things in life.
  If you have had anything resembling a discussion , I must have missed it.
  When it come to throwing around the idea of immagration control , your best shot was to suggest talks with Fidel friggen Castro and to make happy all in Havanaland. If you had any clue about how totaly ridiculous that was you would watermelon a brick. :D
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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #101 on: March 26, 2005, 12:32:41 PM »
Well I've come to one conclusion. You have no bloody idea how to respond in a civilised manner.

I guess you get a kick out of acting like some internet hardman. Typing out your insults and personal attacks and passing them off as legitimate points. You look like a sad fool to me. I sure hope you don't respond to people you might disagree with in real life like you do in here, because if you do I should think you lose a lot of freinds fast.

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« Reply #102 on: March 26, 2005, 02:42:38 PM »
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Well I've come to one conclusion. You have no bloody idea how to respond in a civilised manner.
 


  LMAO Here we go again . You do realize, I assume,  that every time you have gotten your *** in a crack so far you have all of sudden decided to revert to this. It`s called hiding ya wimp.
  After you got nailed on all the anti U.S. crap over and over, you come up with the whine that you just wanted a debate. In other words, you didn`t like being proven ignorant on the statements you had made and had been proven as such, so all of a sudden you wanted to get "cilvilized" in a debate. Then when engaged in a debate, you shuffled, danced for a couple of posts until you were asked the questions that prove your previous statements were all BS. You then proceeded to bail from that thread , not answer the questions, then wait until someone made the first anti U.S.  statement, then bail back in with a one liner that amounted to... "Yea, yea, what he said." . You wish for no debate nor discussion. The reason being you are not capable of nor do you have the knowledge for either. You are just wishing that someone would buy into your anti U.S. crap. Anyone, makes no difference to you. Now that`s sad slick with a capitol S. (not to mention totaly hilarious) Snivel on someone elses shoulder about not being treated "civilized". When you come in here bashing my country, whining, spewing, rattlin your gums about something you have absolutely no friggen clue on, I don`tknow how you could expect to be anything but biatch slapped.
  You have even proven that you are a total blank when it comes to your own country.
  Put down the indoctrination handbook. You can`t  comprehend what it`s saying anyway..
  Like I said, I call a spade a spade and in your case a joker a joker.
 
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I guess you get a kick out of acting like some internet hardman. Typing out your insults and personal attacks and passing them off as legitimate points. You look like a sad fool to me. I sure hope you don't respond to people you might disagree with in real life like you do in here, because if you do I should think you lose a lot of freinds fast.

  Guess would be your best effort. At least the best one you have shown so far Red Boy.
  I don`t think you can be insulted. I don`t believe you have enough grasp on reality to absorb the fact.
   In real life I treat people just as I treat them here. If they start bashing my country when they haven`t got a clue what they are spewing, such as you, they get nailed.
  As far as losing friends over it, I don`t have that problem. I have never befriended any morons, such as yourself.
  Now........ either go to your meeting and take the pledge , bail out, or go work on your own country`s problems.
  If you get them all worked out, then come back and fill us in.
  Any credit you had at the start here was the unknown. You have very rapidly cured that by proving yourself totaly ignorant on all subjects you have attempted to turn into a U.S. bash, arming yourself with absolutely no knowledge of any subject so far.
So................ now you are left with zilch, nada, nothing. Enjoy.
  When you work out your own country`s immagration problems, we`ll send you down to have tea with Castro. :D
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Culero, this is what I was talking about
« Reply #103 on: March 27, 2005, 10:06:55 AM »
I give up. Civility is beyond you so I'll use language you understand.Jackle1 its quite obvious you are a sad fugger who lives out your macho fantasies on this BBs. Your only joy in life seems to be in picking whover doesn't bow down and feed your pathetic arrogant ego, and brow beating them with your complete bullsh*t. As for being a basher of the US have you actualy read any of the Sh*t that you type about the UK or Europe. You are an ignorant F***wit. Be gone from my life bellybutton (thing in the middle of a polo )
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« Reply #104 on: March 27, 2005, 10:15:59 AM »
skymincer.... you don't not only respond to jaklal... you don't respond to anyone.  You may give an essay on auras and karma once in a while and chastise anyone who doesn't do what you consider PC but.... when challenged...

you fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady.

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