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Offline Grits

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« Reply #105 on: March 25, 2005, 11:49:40 AM »
You guys hear of ToD? Which do you think ToD needs more, my list of "hangar queens" or the F8F? I have said before I dont have any objection to the F8F other than it should not be near the top of the "to do" list.

From my personal standpoint, I dont care what perk planes we get, I wont fly them anyway. I fly the C Hog occasionally, and I've flown the 163 and 262 once or twice, the Temp once, and the F4U-4 for the first time last night. Your more likely to find me in the Hurri IID, P47D-11, 190A-5 (ocasionally the D-9) F4U-1, Spit V and the IL-2 when the Fun Nazi's take down the FH's. I'd like to see more early/mid war planes that will fill out holes in the planeset for the SEA, CT and ToD. In reality the MA only REALLY needs the top 4-5 planes it already has now as that is what 90% fly.

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« Reply #106 on: March 25, 2005, 11:52:38 AM »
Imagine that - a fighter, which never fought at all for it's entire life.. and people argue that this is a "WW2 plane".


 Since, effectively, the aura of historicity which gave AH its character, seems to have been abandoned by some people, I see no reason why this game should use WW2 planes in the first place.

 Let's move it to planet Zork, with Quakians and Dorkians and Skorwhors fighting each other, in their turbo-laser armed space fighters.

 After all, the fun in the MA is the only thing which matters, right? Who cares if everything just changed into complete fantasy? HTC doesn't even need to cope with the 'whiners' and stuff, since this is entirely fantasy.

 Heck, they can add infinite variety of wild and wacky planes which will always interest the MA fans more and more, instead of filling out the gaps and holes of historical planesets and trying to finish the balanced 'WW2 plane set' in the first place. All the midwars and earlywayrs are hangar queens anyway/

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 Why do we even bother asking HT to add our favorite planes, which saw significant use, with real service records, and had pilots fighting in them for their lives, and participated in the major battles of the World War...

 ... when we can always ask for a fantasy/what-if plane that suits MA needs, which never even saw one enemy plane during its entire service time in WW2(which isn't saying much, for that matter), and still call it a 'WW2 fighter plane' ?

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« Reply #107 on: March 25, 2005, 12:22:24 PM »
If we are going to ask for "it almost made it to combat" planes I want the AD-1 Skyraider. First flown on March 18, 1945 and deliveries started in June 1945.
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Douglas AD-1 Skyraider

Type:      carrier-based attack aircraft
Crew:      1
Armament:   two 20mm cannon
      up to 6000 lbs. of mixed weapons externally

Specifications:
   Length:           38' 2" (11.63 m)
   Height:           15' 5" (4.70 m)
   Wingspan:         50' 0" (15.24 m)
   Wing area:   400 sq. ft (37.16 sq. m)
   Empty Weight:     10,264 lb (4656 kg)
   Max Weight:    18,030 lb (8178 kg) max at takeoff

Propulsion:
   No. of Engines:   1
   Powerplant:       Wright R-3350-24 Cyclone 18 radial
   Horsepower:   2400 hp

Performance:
   Range:      1900 miles (3058 km)
   Cruise Speed:   204 mph ( 328 km/h)
   Max Speed:      366 mph ( 589 km/h) at 13,500 ft
   Ceiling:          33,000 ft (10,060 m)

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The Shed Killers need a perk ride too dont they? It has just as much claim as the F8F does for "its almost a WW2 plane".

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« Reply #108 on: March 25, 2005, 03:32:40 PM »
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... when we can always ask for a fantasy/what-if plane that suits MA needs,







 
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If we are going to ask for "it almost made it to combat" planes I want the AD-1 Skyraider. First flown on March 18, 1945 and deliveries started in June 1945.


How about the A-1E, it at least saw a lot combat....in Vietnam.


i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #109 on: March 25, 2005, 03:43:47 PM »
I've heard that the AD1 can stay on scene for 8 hours.
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« Reply #110 on: March 25, 2005, 03:57:31 PM »
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in their turbo-laser armed space fighters.


we do have the niki:D
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« Reply #111 on: March 25, 2005, 04:00:36 PM »
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Originally posted by Lye-El



 

How about the A-1E, it at least saw a lot combat....in Vietnam.


The AD-1 and A-1E are the same plane, they changed the designation when they went away from putting the manufacturer in the ID (D=Douglas, F=Grumman etc).

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« Reply #112 on: March 26, 2005, 12:45:41 AM »
Imagine that, some desperate custodian of aircraft purity making a pathetic strawman argument against the inclusion of the Bearcat.

IN service in squadron strength on a war cruise on a USN aircraft carrier before the end of the war. Its pilots are ww2 veterans even if they never flew another plane during the war. It is a ww2 aircraft.

Too bad you hate the idea. Apperently others like it and you dont get the luxury of rewriting history to remove this one from the record. Its a ww2 aircraft.

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« Reply #113 on: March 26, 2005, 01:05:50 AM »
Kweassa
You dont help your case by going crazy with your anologies.
In squadron service on a carrier headed to the front at wars end.
ww2 aircraft.

You guys arent worried that the Vampire will suddenly be in the game. You just really dont want any more late war planes  in and this is one that you think you can boycot with religeos passion and affront cause you can make a case that its not a ww2 aircraft at all.  Its not a signifigant one. But its a ww2 aircraft.

But dont worry so much. The chances of HT and pyro putting it in are next to nill.

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« Reply #114 on: March 26, 2005, 07:52:10 AM »
Nevermind.
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« Reply #115 on: March 26, 2005, 02:55:28 PM »
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Imagine that, some desperate custodian of aircraft purity making a pathetic strawman argument against the inclusion of the Bearcat.

IN service in squadron strength on a war cruise on a USN aircraft carrier before the end of the war. Its pilots are ww2 veterans even if they never flew another plane during the war. It is a ww2 aircraft.

Too bad you hate the idea. Apperently others like it and you dont get the luxury of rewriting history to remove this one from the record. Its a ww2 aircraft.


P-80 flew in 1944

Also history.

I imagine that the P-80 pilots were veterans also as they would most likely be experienced combat pilots.

F7F Tigercat. First service delivery: October 1944

P-61 Black Widow: Service delivery May 1944

Funny thing though. In the book Fighting Aircraft of WWII the F8F doesn't even show up, but then again neither does the P-80.
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i dont got enough perkies as it is and i like upen my lancs to kill 1 dang t 34 or wirble its fun droping 42 bombs

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« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2005, 09:43:42 AM »
there is more than one book about WWII aircraft.   I have even seen one or two contradict each other.

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« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2005, 09:44:36 AM »
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there is more than one book about WWII aircraft.   I have even seen one or two contradict each other.

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