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« Reply #165 on: March 21, 2005, 08:46:16 PM »
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You didn't happen to get that information from a burning bush didya? :D


You didnt happen to read this whole thread did ya? Cause you missed this part if you did...


George Felos, an attorney for her husband, pointed out that Michael Schiavo is her legal guardian and argued that her parents don't have legal standing to make their case.

Felos also said Terri Schiavo told her best friend, brother-in-law and uncle that she would never want to be kept alive in this type of scenario.

notice the last part...let it sink in... Still think her husband is a liar? guess so is her unlce and brother in law and best friend. idiots

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« Reply #166 on: March 21, 2005, 08:55:58 PM »
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I think it shows that most people would not want to be kept in that state but everyone seems to assume she wanted to. But after  I saw the info on her bestfriend and uncle saying they heard her say she wouldnt want to live like that your right it is irrelevant. It is now obvious she said she didnt want to live like that. Abide by her wishes.


I have to say that had this been the issue early on in the case, I probably would have agreed she should be "allowed to die".  But not now.  Too many questions, and IMHO, way too much money involved.  Far too much time has lapsed and to be honest, I don't believe anyone, not mom and dad, not hubby, not even uncle and sister.  Too much room for agenda, profit... whatever.  I'm just siding with life because, well, she's been here this long, and I figure if she's not aware and someone's willing to take responsibility, leave her alone.  What I'm disgusted with is the people who've taken this on to push thier agenda, and I'll apologize in advance but given the circumstances... taking the side of death in this case, as an agenda, (again weighing heavily on the FACT that she is "unaware" and the method she will die) is nothing more than vile and rotten.
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« Reply #167 on: March 21, 2005, 08:57:50 PM »
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You didnt happen to read this whole thread did ya? Cause you missed this part if you did...


George Felos, an attorney for her husband, pointed out that Michael Schiavo is her legal guardian and argued that her parents don't have legal standing to make their case.

Felos also said Terri Schiavo told her best friend, brother-in-law and uncle that she would never want to be kept alive in this type of scenario.

notice the last part...let it sink in... Still think her husband is a liar? guess so is her unlce and brother in law and best friend. idiots


If it's not a notorized written statement, signed by Ms Schaivo, then as far as I'm concerned it's validity is questionable.
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« Reply #168 on: March 21, 2005, 09:02:27 PM »
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If it's not a notorized written statement, signed by Ms Schaivo, then as far as I'm concerned it's validity is questionable.


These folks disagree with you, and disagree consistently:

The Pinellas County Circuit Court, the Second District Court of Appeal, the Florida Supreme Court, the Second District Court of Appeal (again), the Florida Supreme Court (again), the Pinellas Country Circuit Court (again and repeatedly), the Second District Court of Appeal (yet again and repeatedly), the Florida Supreme Court (yet again and repeatedly), and the U.S. Supreme Court.

But uh.... No... Not good enough.... lets get Congress to send this back to Court! What a novel shreckin' idea!

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« Reply #169 on: March 21, 2005, 09:03:31 PM »
>>taking the side of death in this case, as an agenda, (again weighing heavily on the FACT that she is "unaware" and the method she will die) is nothing more than vile and rotten.<<

Certainly you can't undo killing her, or can't undo the pain if its discovered 10 years from now that someone in her condition may have felt themselves starving to death but were unable to convey it because of no motor functions.

As Bush said - err on the side of life.

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« Reply #170 on: March 21, 2005, 09:10:41 PM »
Tumor.....

Common sense...wtg


I'll play Judge

"Mr. Schaivo sir you have moved on with your life. You have 2 children out of wedlock with a woman. You sir should divorce this woman and give up the rights you have. Leave her to her family and move on forward and let her be as she will be until she dies."

easy ruling.

125,000.00 dollars please.
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« Reply #171 on: March 21, 2005, 09:12:19 PM »
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These folks disagree with you, and disagree consistently:

The Pinellas County Circuit Court, the Second District Court of Appeal, the Florida Supreme Court, the Second District Court of Appeal (again), the Florida Supreme Court (again), the Pinellas Country Circuit Court (again and repeatedly), the Second District Court of Appeal (yet again and repeatedly), the Florida Supreme Court (yet again and repeatedly), and the U.S. Supreme Court.

But uh.... No... Not good enough.... lets get Congress to send this back to Court! What a novel shreckin' idea!


Ya, all them thar Florida courts is always co-rrect.

Actually, I don't give a crap about what congress or the courts did... whats BEEN done to this woman from the get-go is wrong in every way.   Now that she doesn't even have the capability to feel let alone think, and family is willing to take on the responsibility... it really doen't make a bit of difference whether she lives or dies.  She's a shell.. BIG FREEKIN DEAL EITHER WAY!  I will err on the side of life.. you will err on the side of death.  It really is as simple as that and I like my side better.
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« Reply #172 on: March 21, 2005, 09:17:51 PM »
This thing has been through more litigation, has had more consideration, by more experts, for more years, than anything you can imagine.

Where is this "err" stuff coming from?

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« Reply #173 on: March 21, 2005, 09:50:54 PM »
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   Now that she doesn't even have the capability to feel let alone think, and family is willing to take on the responsibility... it really doen't make a bit of difference whether she lives or dies.  She's a shell.. BIG FREEKIN DEAL EITHER WAY!  I will err on the side of life.. you will err on the side of death.  It really is as simple as that and I like my side better.


She is a shell you say but then you err on the side of life? What kind of life is that again? One of not being able to take care of yourself? One of being a burden financially? One of not being able to read or enjoy any aspect of life other than a room? It's been said but bears repeating, there are things worse in life than death. Or cases where death would be preferable. I love how everyone wants to take away what was her choice, her decision. I see no reason to doubt it. As for the money I have posted before but some new guy to the thread obviously cant be bothered to read the whole thing.

Her husband said he would give the leftover money from her settlement to charity if the family would quit fighting him in court. Yeah He is really in it for the money. sheesh

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« Reply #174 on: March 21, 2005, 10:39:21 PM »
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She is a shell you say but then you err on the side of life? What kind of life is that again?  


One I at least don't think we should promote ending.

We all have opinions.  Given she's not even aware of her existence and apparently can feel no pain, I like the life option.
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« Reply #175 on: March 21, 2005, 10:45:50 PM »
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We all have opinions. Given she's not even aware of her existence and apparently can feel no pain, I like the life option.


But she didn't like the life option. It has been found so, by more people, with more smarts, and more information on it, who have spent more time considering it by a magnitude of a whole hell of a lot, than you or I.

But you like the life option, for Terri, who didn't like the life option.



It is as if, because she is brain dead, her wishes make no difference only because she won't know the difference.

I could say that the simple fact of her not being able to know the difference speaks volumes about the reality of her situation which some would ignore.

Instead, since you won't know the difference anyways, I will make a court challenge and go against your wish to be buried under an oak tree, and instead sue for the ability to rub your ashes all over my sexed-up nekkid body.

She has rights whether she's alive, dead, or alive in death.

You want to ignore them because she can't tell what happens anyways. That's what your argument boils down to. Like I said, this has already been considered by much smarter people than you and I. Thank God.
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« Reply #176 on: March 21, 2005, 10:50:14 PM »
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But she didn't like the life option. It has been found so, by more people, with more smarts, and more information on it, who have spent more time considering it by a magnitude of a whole hell of a lot, than you or I.

But you like the life option, for Terri, who didn't like the life option.


Therein lies exactly what this is all about Nash. Imposing your views on someone else. Lotta that going on these days.

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« Reply #177 on: March 22, 2005, 12:34:42 AM »
Since when did death become such a horrible thing.  Part of life isn't it?  I watched my Dad waste away at age 45, the age I am now, to the point he was no longer able to function.  His formerly strong body atrophied, and he could no longer talk and went into a coma.  

We loved him dearly and miss him more then I can describe, but I would never have wished on him a life like that.  We loved him enough to know that it was better for his suffering to be over.  And I'd like to believe he's in a better place.

How selfish would it have been of me to hook him to a machine to keep his body alive when he was no longer living?  He missed his daughters weddings, he missed his first grandchild, my son, by a month.  The pain at the time was unbearable but it was something we had to deal with and a part of life.

But now some of you gents tell me, that mife wife of 22 years and I had better have something written down in some correct style so that if I or she should ever be in the same situation it might get past a court to decide how we live our lives?  Neither of us want to have our lives prolonged artificially if in that kind of state.

But should it come to that, my motives or my wife's will be slandered because we love each other enough to pull the plug and that doesn't fit with your belief system?  Some of you gents are essentially accusing this husband of murder.

Who are you to decide that for me?

Have any of you worked in a nursing home or a hospital?  If not, volunteer, get some time in, find out what it's like.  It might change your perceptions

Death is a part of living.  It happens every day.  deal with it.

Less intrusive government my eye.

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