Author Topic: !#$% at the Pump (Read 3722 times)

J_A_B · « **Reply #30 on:** March 22, 2005, 05:52:17 PM »

Forcing everyone into unsafe uncomfortable little tin can go-karts isn't the answer.

Either taking control of the oil fields or finding another source of energy (hodrogen?) is the answer.

J_A_B

Gunslinger · « **Reply #31 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:16:14 PM »

Get used to it. OPEC is now stating that they have barely a million barrels/day of production to add.

We all know what happens when demand goes up and supply goes down.

rpm · « **Reply #32 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:23:47 PM »

One thing I find odd is why we have not stepped up American production. In the 70's they shut down wells that were producing less than 12 barrels a day saying the price of oil was too low to make them profitable. It was under $15 a barrel. There are 1000's of them in North Texas alone that could be pumping today, but are still shut in.

john9001 · « **Reply #33 on:** March 22, 2005, 06:38:14 PM »

""Forcing everyone into unsafe uncomfortable little tin can go-karts isn't the answer. ""

sorry hot rod kid, but this is 2005 and you need to face reality and reprogram that tire burning, gas guzzlin, duel four barrel carb brain of yours.

Sundowner · « **Reply #34 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:05:44 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
""Forcing everyone into unsafe uncomfortable little tin can go-karts isn't the answer. ""

sorry hot rod kid, but this is 2005 and you need to face reality and reprogram that tire burning, gas guzzlin, duel four barrel carb brain of yours.

Lord Vader, your car is ready

Son, do you think I would be fool enough to put my wife and kids in a 40mpg, tin foil death trap?

I could care less if gas goes to $10 a gallon. Would saving a few bucks on fuel be any consolation at the funeral home?

I own two of these bad boys.
There's a reason tanks have armor, bucko.

Regards,
Sun

weaselsan · « **Reply #35 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:16:30 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
$6.50 / gal here. Quit whining.

Only 50 cents for the gas...$6.00 in tax

weaselsan · « **Reply #36 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:20:32 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
One thing I find odd is why we have not stepped up American production. In the 70's they shut down wells that were producing less than 12 barrels a day saying the price of oil was too low to make them profitable. It was under $15 a barrel. There are 1000's of them in North Texas alone that could be pumping today, but are still shut in.

Lack of refineries. We haven't built a refinery since the 70's.
We can pump a couple billion barrels a day, it wouldn't matter we can't refine it. If you mention refinery the Sierra club chits it's self.

weaselsan · « **Reply #37 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:25:45 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
Only 50 cents for the gas...$6.00 in tax

In point of fact one guy here in Florida a few years ago had the actual price of gas on his sign, and in very small letters at the bottom had "plus tax" which almost all other commodities do.
Funny thing....they told him it was a violation of both State and Federal Law. And made him change the sign...why is that?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #38 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:28:10 PM »

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Originally posted by weaselsan
Lack of refineries. We haven't built a refinery since the 70's.
We can pump a couple billion barrels a day, it wouldn't matter we can't refine it. If you mention refinery the Sierra club chits it's self.

Heh. Looks like New joisey may have ya.s by the balls.

We have refineries.

rpm · « **Reply #39 on:** March 22, 2005, 07:35:04 PM »

Texas has refineries a plenty. Ever been to Houston? It's a good point, tho. The refineries operating at capacity have trouble meeting the demand. But remember ENRON and the California power shortage? It was all fabricated to increase profit. I'm tellin ya, big fat rat.

Skydancer · « **Reply #40 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:14:05 PM »

Jees,

You got the cheapest petrol, you drive cars that burn it at a stupid rate, you pump the byproducts into the atmosphere seemingly without any penalty and you are complaining!!!!!!!

You chaps are never happy!

Here is the solution. ( no it doesn't hasve to be a bike its the technology thats the important bit )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7206396/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4353853.stm

Develop this power plant and the middle east loses its strangle hold on us all!

Jackal1 · « **Reply #41 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:34:41 PM »

50 mph/ 100 mile range.
Yea that would be handy for..............nothing.

Jackal1 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:40:08 PM »

In the late 70s, early 80s remember the "gas shortage" and the hikes, lines, etc?
I was going to the ports in Houston, Galveston, etc.
The tug boat operators were making a killing. Not from using the tugs to position ships, but to carry tanker crews back and forth from ship to port.
We talked to a lot of the crew members. They were in lines , anchored just over jurisdiction lines. Some of the crews had been at anchor 2 to 3 months because they would not let them enter and offload.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #43 on:** March 22, 2005, 08:54:34 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
Forcing everyone into unsafe uncomfortable little tin can go-karts isn't the answer.

Either taking control of the oil fields or finding another source of energy (hodrogen?) is the answer.

J_A_B

It isnt just the fuel that is or will be effected there are some 500,000 byproducts of the oil industry Such as plastics as I mentioned before. Just sit in your chair and take a good look around you and see how many things are made out of plastic

"Byproducts of oil: Cost and decreasing availability of 500,000 known uses of oil: Fertilizers (farms/food supply), medicines, plastics, insulation, computers, asphalt, inks & toners, paints, glues, solvents, antiseptics, golf balls, CDs trash bags, nail polish, detergents, chewing gum, etc.

Dunno hydrogen may not be the answer either

"Hydrogen

Current global use: 23 billion cu. ft a day in 1998. (Was quoted at http://buscom.com/editors/RC-219.html)
Conversion calculator at http://www.hionsolar.com/n-heq1.html (1 cu. ft = 0.0000466 barrel of crude oil.)

As a replacement for oil: Existing vehicles and aircraft and existing distribution systems are not suited to it. "Hydrogen , while very abundant on earth , almost never exists as a free gas, so other hydrogen compounds need to be treated in order to make hydrogen gas. Currently the treatment of methane with steam is used to produce the hydrogen gas ( CH4 (g) + H2O = 3H2 (g) + CO (g) ) (Zumdahl,1997) but this reaction requires a lot of energy to make the hydrogen gas . It is currently more economical to simply burn the methane instead of using it to get the hydrogen used for fuel. In addition, this method of achieving hydrogen endorses a reliance upon natural gas as well as producing Carbon Monoxide as a byproduct." http://darwin.bio.uci.edu/~sustain/global/sensem/Forrest98.htm Liquid hydrogen occupies eleven times the space of equivalent gasoline or diesel: http://www.energy.ca.gov/afvs/vehicles.html#500 David Pimentel states on pg. 212 of Food, Energy, and Society, revised edition "that the volume of hydrogen fuel is about 4 times greater for the same energy content of gasoline (8000 kcal/liter versus 2030 kcal/liter)."

The Oil Crash and you

Wolfala · « **Reply #44 on:** March 22, 2005, 11:41:32 PM »

I don't see what yr *****ing about. Pilots have been paying $3.50 + a gal for over 3 years now. And we burn a car tanks worth in under an hour.