Author Topic: Its not bad being a minority (Read 3744 times)

Raider179 · « **Reply #120 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:18:53 AM »

Nash said it. That is not going to reveal anything they dont really already know.

"In Schiavo's condition, only the most primitive part of the brain survives. That region, known as the brain stem, merely sustains the vital functions of breathing, heart rate, sleep-wake cycles and primitive reflexes such as coughing and blinking. "

TweetyBird · « **Reply #121 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:19:21 AM »

>>As far as I know, the only place that can do PET is NYC<<

Well you "know" wrong - but don't trash me again. PET scanners are in a most major cities now.

Nash · « **Reply #122 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:21:42 AM »

Get outta here.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #123 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:22:36 AM »

>>Nash said it. That is not going to reveal anything they dont really already know<<

Ah, thats it - absolutely no need to confirm something with new technology if we already know someone should die. I think we should do the same thing with trials - why wast money on a trial if we know they're guilty?

Raider179 · « **Reply #124 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:25:34 AM »

"The results of the PET scan may not be accurate if you are unable to cooperate and remain still throughout the procedure. "

"For a brain study, you will lie on a bed. During the scan, you may be given earplugs and a blindfold to wear to reduce external distractions. You may be asked to read, perform letter recognition activities, or recite a familiar quotation or passage, depending on whether speech, reasoning, or memory is being tested. You may be asked to perform deep breathing exercises to help reduce your anxiety. "

http://my.webmd.com/hw/health_guide_atoz/aa80345.asp

Can she do any of that?

Nash · « **Reply #125 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:30:05 AM »

I must be thinking about some different kind of scanner...Because the type of brain scan that the parents want revolved around flying Terri's body up to NYC.

Raider179 · « **Reply #126 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:37:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Nash
I must be thinking about some different kind of scanner...Because the type of brain scan that the parents want revolved around flying Terri's body up to NYC.

MRS, magnetic resonance spectroscopic?

Nash · « **Reply #127 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:41:30 AM »

Mebbe... I dunno.

What I do know is that the medical world (the sane portion of it) agree that:

1) It is tantamount to sticking a stethoscope into my steak lookin' for a heartbeat.... and....

2) Even if the mush were confirmed by this MRS, it wouldn't mean jack to the right to lifers anyway.

It wouldn't change a damn thing.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #128 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:42:13 AM »

>>Can she do any of that?
<<

I dunno - what happened when they tried? Oh wait thats right - THEY NEVER BOTHERED TO TRY.

Raider179 · « **Reply #129 on:** March 27, 2005, 12:52:50 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>Can she do any of that?
<<

I dunno - what happened when they tried? Oh wait thats right - THEY NEVER BOTHERED TO TRY.

None of this even matters. She said she didnt want to be like that. It's been 17 years and she has not improved. You and people that think like you want her to live like that, SHE did not. Here I will post this again for you incase you missed it.

Felos also said Terri Schiavo told her best friend, brother-in-law and uncle that she would never want to be kept alive in this type of scenario.

I guess her best friend, uncle and brother-in-law all want her dead too.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/21/schiavo/index.html

I would say that this is probably why the parents have never won 1 trial/appeal. Hard to rebuke the testimony of people who care about her and have nothing to gain.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #130 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:21:27 AM »

>>None of this even matters. She said she didnt want to be like that. It's been 17 years and she has not improved. You and people that think like you want her to live like that, SHE did not. <<

All of this matters! Twenty years ago, I might have said "shoot me in the head if I ever lose control of my bowels or bladder" but I would hate to think such an emotional utterance could seal my fate. Thankfully, I still have control of both, and today I would say the same. But today I know its an emotional kneejerk reaction. Yes it would be devestating to lose independence, but would I really want to die? After a time adjusting, would I really believe life held nothing for me?

The question is not what was or wasn't said 15 years ago, but whether or not the woman is responding (and if so, how?)to her environment now. The question is does she experience pain, in which case this starvation is absolutely inexcusable. We can objectively determine more now because of technology. It is just so weird that someone acting in her best interest wouldn't take advantage of this technology.

We are so used to matter of factly stating things like "it doesn't matter" or "she wouldn't want to live like this" that it is quite possible to kill some accidently in front of 250 million blind people. When we say those things, we had better make damn sure they are true and are not just repeating the easy solution.

Nash · « **Reply #131 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:30:52 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>None of this even matters. She said she didnt want to be like that. It's been 17 years and she has not improved. You and people that think like you want her to live like that, SHE did not. <<

All of this matters! Twenty years ago, I might have said "shoot me in the head if I ever lose control of my bowels or bladder" but I would hate to think such an emotional utterance could seal my fate. Thankfully, I still have control of both, and today I would say the same. But today I know its an emotional kneejerk reaction. Yes it would be devestating to lose independence, but would I really want to die? After a time adjusting, would I really believe life held nothing for me?

The question is not what was or wasn't said 15 years ago, but whether or not the woman is responding (and if so, how?)to her environment now. The question is does she experience pain, in which case this starvation is absolutely inexcusable. We can objectively determine more now because of technology. It is just so weird that someone acting in her best interest wouldn't take advantage of this technology.

We are so used to matter of factly stating things like "it doesn't matter" or "she wouldn't want to live like this" that it is quite possible to kill some accidently in front of 250 million blind people. When we say those things, we had better make damn sure they are true and are not just repeating the easy solution.

Blah blah blah.

She told her husband, relatives, and friends that she wouldn't want to live like this. That very expression has been tried and ruled upon many times in many courts.

She didn't want to live like this.

Butt out.

TweetyBird · « **Reply #132 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:32:55 AM »

>>Blah blah blah. <<

Can Nash legaly audition for American Idol?

Nash · « **Reply #133 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:37:39 AM »

Har.

I did you a favour by laughing at yer joke.

Do this whole thing a favour and quit sticking your nose where it has no business being.

Raider179 · « **Reply #134 on:** March 27, 2005, 01:39:44 AM »

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Originally posted by TweetyBird
>>None of this even matters. She said she didnt want to be like that. It's been 17 years and she has not improved. You and people that think like you want her to live like that, SHE did not. <<

All of this matters! Twenty years ago, I might have said "shoot me in the head if I ever lose control of my bowels or bladder" but I would hate to think such an emotional utterance could seal my fate. Thankfully, I still have control of both, and today I would say the same. But today I know its an emotional kneejerk reaction. Yes it would be devestating to lose independence, but would I really want to die? After a time adjusting, would I really believe life held nothing for me?

The question is not what was or wasn't said 15 years ago, but whether or not the woman is responding (and if so, how?)to her environment now. The question is does she experience pain, in which case this starvation is absolutely inexcusable. We can objectively determine more now because of technology. It is just so weird that someone acting in her best interest wouldn't take advantage of this technology.

We are so used to matter of factly stating things like "it doesn't matter" or "she wouldn't want to live like this" that it is quite possible to kill some accidently in front of 250 million blind people. When we say those things, we had better make damn sure they are true and are not just repeating the easy solution.

1) You analogy is pointless. Losing control of the bladder has nothing to do with Not having anything left inside your head but a brain stem.

2)If she is responding? thats the question? Its already been stated that people in PVS have reflexes. maybe you missed this part. Remember from the court appointed doctor...Unless you think he wants her dead too.

During testimony in a 2002 hearing, court-appointed neurologist Peter Bambakidis acknowledged that seeing the videotapes of Schiavo's mother kissing and speaking with her gave him pause at first.

But Bambakidis noted that such visual tracking "commonly occurs spontaneously in people in a persistent vegetative state." After reviewing her brain scans and visiting with her, he came to the conclusion that she had no hope of recovery.

3)The technology PET would be worthless in this situation since she lacks a brain and has only the stem still.

"In Schiavo's condition, only the most primitive part of the brain survives. That region, known as the brain stem, merely sustains the vital functions of breathing, heart rate, sleep-wake cycles and primitive reflexes such as coughing and blinking. "

4) So her best friend and uncle are just repeating the easiest solution? Those were court facts so deal with it. I gave you the link earlier guess you didnt read it.

I have heard all the excuses and reasons for keeping her alive but None override her desire to not be kept alive like that.