Originally posted by culero
That is absolute BS, I've never said anything of the sort.
But you did. Perhaps you need to slide yer cranium out of yer rectum and 'read up in the thread'.
Originally posted by culero
the single most important causal factor in this problem is that it is common practice here on the part of US citizens to actively seek out and hire illegal illimgrants for employment.
Originally posted by culero
where you are wrong is in saying I've blamed the problem solely on employers
Originally posted by Lazerus
I actually thought of the same comparison two nights ago when culero started in on his racist/bigot attack based on the absurd premis that the cause of the problem in question laid mostly on the employers that were willing to break the law and hire the illegals
Solely and mostly are not the same thing. Try that dictionary site I gave you a link to.
Originally posted by culeroand would also tend to be oppressive in terms of breakdown of civil liberties (you're talking about creep toward "police state" there).
Who's civil liberties would be violated by enforcing the laws that support the integrity of our borders? I really don't understand where you're coming from on this one.
big·ot Audio pronunciation of "bigot" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (bgt)
n.
One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bigot..."group, religion, race, or politics"...
"or"
OK, so I'm a bigot. I am partial to my own group, law abiding citizens of the USA. Because I want the illegal infiltration of citizens from another country, and their wholesale raping of the economy of my country, to stop. I'll take that label if you want to put it on me.
Originally posted by culeroI am saying that those who refuse to acknowledge that illegal employers are a factor in the problem and choose to look solely toward harsh punitive measures against the illegal immigrants as their proposed solutions seem to be bigoted, and I stand by that.
Originally posted by NUKE
culero, you are ignorant.
I want our laws enforced, plain and simple.
It appears that you refuse to acknowledge that the person you have been arguing with holds the exact position that you accuse him of not having.
Originally posted by culeroSo, you deny that an employer who makes the deliberate decision to employ via the illegal labor pool doesn't benefit financially from that decision? You deny he is therefore compensated by doing so? You deny that the jobs he so provides are not a tangible resource that people seek?
I never denied any of that
Actually, I agree its relevant, however your POV seems skewed, although given the depths from which it emanates (see again what I said about where your head is) that does make sense. Let's compare the illegal drug market to this problem.
Drug smugglers and drug suppliers sell their product to individual consumers (those who use the drugs).
That's as far as you got before your bias prevented you from presenting a reasonable argument.
Now, we have Farmer John Doe, or fake grass supplier/installer Nuke, who want to save costs so they employ significant numbers of illegal immigrants because they can exploit their needs by paying them less than proper value for their time, and avoid associated costs like FICA contributions, tax accounting, etc.
Abbreviated version, we have an indigenous person that uses illegal resources to gain a profit through illegal practices. The comparison is valid.
If you will take the time to pull your blinders off, you will see that the people you are arguing with want enforcement on both sides of the border(illegal employers and illegal aliens). If your claim that you want the same is only lip service, at least have the nuts to admit it.
