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« Reply #240 on: April 06, 2005, 03:24:51 PM »
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Hmmm...you still wonder why I call you a bigot and a cross
Again, you still wonder why I call you bigot?   You're really not all that bright are you?  


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Yeah, I do wonder. Because I never uttered a racist comment and yet you have been calling me a cross burning, white robe wearing bigot for a long time. Then, since you felt so at ease with calling me those names all over channel 200, I decided to call you a beaner in response to your taunts.

I really am not the kind of person that would complain to HTC about anything.....I never have, but if you continue your defamation, I will let HTC deal with you.
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« Reply #241 on: April 06, 2005, 03:32:42 PM »
akak..i still call u crap..

187 is good...KIK THE ILLEGALS OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They DO TAKE JOBS!!!..they WORK FOR LESS..........YEs employers are the problem also..

BUT..ill tell you one thing..close the godam borders and we dont have to worry about employers..F them too..THERE BREAKING THE LAW

akak..this is just 1 small part of 187...woudl you liek to post what you dotn like about 187?..PLEASE do..

and..LOLOLOL I love theat cheech and C one..BEANERS........eat Beans.....Beaners.....will kick you in the face...that was rigth before his hot date that he fell asleep on..

http://www.americanpatrol.com/REFERENCE/prop187text.html

PROPOSED LAW

SECTION 1. Findings and Declaration.

The People of California find and declare as follows:

That they have suffered and are suffering economic hardship caused by the presence of illegal aliens in this state.

That they have suffered and are suffering personal injury and damage caused by the criminal conduct of illegal aliens in this state.

That they have a right to the protection of their government from any person or persons entering this country unlawfully.

Therefore, the People of California declare their intention to provide for cooperation between their agencies of state and local government with the federal government, and to establish a system of required notification by and between such agencies to prevent illegal aliens in the United States from receiving benefits or public services in the State of California.

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« Reply #242 on: April 06, 2005, 04:04:39 PM »
Sounds like good and sound legislation to me.
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« Reply #243 on: April 06, 2005, 04:11:03 PM »
And just incase culero has not looked at the cost to his fellow "Texan Citizens" of illegal immigrants...........

http://www.fairus.org/Research/Research.cfm?ID=2669&c=55#FileAttach

Costs of Illegal Immigration to Texans: Executive Summary
 
 
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates Texas’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to more than $3.7 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden amounts to about $725 per Texas household headed by a native-born resident.

This analysis looks specifically at the costs to the state for education, health care and incarceration resulting from illegal immigration. These three are the largest cost areas, and they are the same three areas analyzed in a 1994 study conducted by the Urban Institute, which provides a useful baseline for comparison ten years later. Other studies have been conducted in the interim, showing trends that support the conclusions of this report.

Other significant costs associated with illegal immigration exist, and these too should be taken into account by federal and state officials. Even without accounting for all of the numerous areas in which costs associated with illegal immigration are being incurred by Texas taxpayers, the program areas analyzed in this study indicate that the burden is substantial and that the costs are rapidly increasing.

The more than $4.7 billion in costs incurred by Texas taxpayers annually result from outlays in the following areas:

Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Texas and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Texans spend more than $4 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings. About 11.9 percent of the K-12 public school students in Texas are children of illegal aliens.


Health Care. Taxpayer-funded medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to about $520 million a year.


Incarceration. The uncompensated cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Texas’s state and county prisons amounts to about $150 million a year (not including local jail detention costs or related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
State and local taxes paid by the unauthorized immigrant population go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments can generously be estimated at slightly less than $1 billion per year.

The fiscal costs of illegal immigration do not end with these three major cost areas. The total costs of illegal immigration to the state’s taxpayers would be considerably higher if other cost areas such as special English instruction, welfare programs used by the U.S.-born children of illegal aliens, or welfare benefits for American workers displaced by illegal alien workers were also calculated.

While the primary responsibility for combating illegal immigration rests with the federal government, there are many measures that state and local governments can take to combat the problem. Texans should not be expected to assume this already large and growing burden from illegal immigration simply because local businesses or other special interests benefit from being able to employ lower cost workers. The state could adopt measures to systematically collect information on illegal alien use of taxpayer-funded services and on where they are employed. Policies could then be pursued to hold employers financially accountable.

The state could also enter into a cooperative agreement with the federal government for training local law enforcement personnel in immigration law so illegal immigrants apprehended for breaking the law can be expeditiously turned over to the immigration authorities for removal from the country. Similarly, local officials who have adopted “sanctuary” measures that shield illegal aliens from being reported to the immigration authorities should be urged to repeal them.

Texas has also voluntarily adopted policies that add to the cost burdens of illegal immigration. While all states are compelled under a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision to provide a free K-12 education to all children, irrespective of their immigration status, they are under no obligation to subsidize education beyond that point. Nevertheless, the Texas legislature and Governor Perry have decided to grant in-state tuition benefits at public colleges and universities to illegal aliens.

It is unreasonable for a state to expect federal assistance to compensate for the fiscal burden of illegal immigration if it is pursuing policies that encourage illegal aliens to come and remain in the state.
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« Reply #244 on: April 06, 2005, 04:11:40 PM »
hold those who hire illegals rigidly accountable with more than a little slap on the wrist.  

when the well dries up, they will stay at home and work on thier own economy.  then, when they are kicking our butts we can go down there and work illegally...or alternatively we could open the borders, allow free markets to work and quit being such elitist snobs.

no.  i dont think we should offer them healthcare...and i think permits should be required..but i also think that we should give them freely.
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« Reply #245 on: April 06, 2005, 04:25:03 PM »
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Yeah, I do wonder. Because I never uttered a racist comment and yet you have been calling me a cross burning, white robe wearing bigot for a long time. Then, since you felt so at ease with calling me those names all over channel 200, I decided to call you a beaner in response to your taunts.

I really am not the kind of person that would complain to HTC about anything.....I never have, but if you continue your defamation, I will let HTC deal with you.



The bigot is insulted about being called what he is?  How ironic...


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« Reply #246 on: April 06, 2005, 04:29:03 PM »
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akak..i still call u crap..

 



You better hurry up, heard Wal-Mart is having a sale on white sheets and pillow cases.  While you're at it, pick up some for Nuke, I'm sure the one he has are all sooty by now.



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« Reply #247 on: April 06, 2005, 04:31:56 PM »
More on the Health Crisis of Iliiegal Immigration that's being Non-Reported by the evil hearted Liberal media.

Being in contact with illegals can mean catching diaseases that will kill you. Eating at restarunts that hire illegals can mean catching Heppatitus. Using public restrooms in areas illegals frequent can make true all those Highschool health movies. I would rather some head in the sand call me a racist or a bigot than die from these diaseases. This is what we babyboomers will be retiring to..................this is the real possible biomass WMD we can face.

Folks choose:

Your TAXES, your HEALTH, or CRIME. Everywhere in the U.S. that has high crime rates, high local taxes, and backrupted health care has had the highest influx of illegal aliens in the last 10 years. Also it looks exactly like the Blue state Red state voting map from the last election.

http://www.fairus.org/ImmigrationIssueCenters/ImmigrationIssueCenters.cfm?ID=2663&c=13

Illegal Immigration and Public Health
 
The impact of immigration on our public health is often overlooked. Although millions of visitors for tourism and business come every year, the foreign population of special concern is illegal residents, who come most often from countries with endemic health problems and less developed health care. They are of greatest consequence because they are responsible for a disproportionate share of serious public health problems, are living among us for extended periods of time, and often are dependent on U.S. health care services.

Public Health Risks
Because illegal immigrants, unlike those who are legally admitted for permanent residence, undergo no medical screening to assure that they are not bearing contagious diseases, the rapidly swelling population of illegal aliens in our country has also set off a resurgence of contagious diseases that had been totally or nearly eradicated by our public health system.

According to Dr. Laurence Nickey, director of the El Paso heath district “Contagious diseases that are generally considered to have been controlled in the United States are readily evident along the border ... The incidence of tuberculosis in El Paso County is twice that of the U.S. rate. Dr. Nickey also states that leprosy, which is considered by most Americans to be a disease of the Third World, is readily evident along the U.S.-Mexico border and that dysentery is several times the U.S. rate ... People have come to the border for economic opportunities, but the necessary sewage treatment facilities, public water systems, environmental enforcement, and medical care have not been made available to them, causing a severe risk to health and well being of people on both sides of the border.”1

“The pork tapeworm, which thrives in Latin America and Mexico, is showing up along the U.S. border, threatening to ravage victims with symptoms ranging from seizures to death. ... The same [Mexican] underclass has migrated north to find jobs on the border, bringing the parasite and the sickness—cysticercosis—its eggs can cause[.] Cysts that form around the larvae usually lodge in the brain and destroy tissue, causing hallucinations, speech and vision problems, severe headaches, strokes, epileptic seizures, and in rare cases death.”2

The problem, however, is not confined to the border region, as illegal immigrants have rapidly spread across the country into many new economic sectors such as food processing, construction, and hospitality services.

Typhoid struck Silver Spring, Maryland, in 1992 when an immigrant from the Third World (who had been working in food service in the United States for almost two years) transmitted the bacteria through food at the McDonald’s where she worked. River blindness, malaria, and guinea worm, have all been brought to Northern Virginia by immigration.3

"By default, we grant health passes to illegal aliens. Yet many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease."

“What is unseen is their [illegal aliens’] free medical care that has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities, and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospitals are closing their doors.”

—Madeleine Peiner Cosman, Ph.D., Esq. “Illegal Aliens and American Medicine,” Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, Spring 2005
 

Contrary to common belief, tuberculosis (TB) has not been wiped out in the United States, mostly due to illegal migration. In 1995, there was an outbreak of TB in an Alexandria high school, when 36 high-school students caught the disease from a foreign student.4 The four greatest immigrant magnet states have over half the TB cases in the U.S.5 In 1992, 27 percent of the TB cases in the United States were among the foreign-born; in California, it was 61 percent of the cases; in Hawaii, 83 percent; and in Washington state, 46 percent. The Queens, New York, health department attributed 81 percent of new TB cases in 2001 to immigrants.

Costs of Medical Care
Immigrants are often uninsured and underinsured. Forty-three percent of noncitizens under 65 have no health insurance. That means there are 9.4 million uninsured immigrants, a majority of whom are in the country illegally, constituting 15 percent of the total uninsured in the nation in the mid-1990s.6 The cost of the medical care of these uninsured immigrants is passed onto the taxpayer, and strains the financial stability of the health care community.

Another problem is immigrants’ use of hospital and emergency services rather than preventative medical care. For example, utilization rate of hospitals and clinics by illegal aliens (29 percent) is more than twice the rate of the overall U.S. population (11 percent).7

As a result, the costs of medical care for immigrants are staggering. The estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care in 2004 in California was about $1.4 billion per year. In Texas, the estimated cost was about $.85 billion, and in Arizona the comparable estimate was $.4 billion per year.8

One of the frequent costs to U.S. taxpayers is delivery of babies to illegal alien mothers. A California study put the number of these anchor baby deliveries in the state in 1994 at 74,987, at a cost of $215 million. At that time, those births constituted 36 percent of all Medi-Cal births, and they have grown now to substantially more than half or the annual Medi-Cal budget. In 2003, 70 percent of the 2,300 babies born in San Joaquin General Hospital’s maternity ward were anchor babies. Medical in 2003 had 760,000 illegal alien beneficiaries, up from 2002, when there were 470,000.9
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« Reply #248 on: April 06, 2005, 05:03:20 PM »
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Forget the Minutemen, get some Civil War re enactors out there..


Better get Union soldiers, no need in having the losing team defend our borders





































Now THAT'S a troll:rofl

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« Reply #249 on: April 06, 2005, 05:39:00 PM »
The only solution is to weed them out as they are found and also to punish anyone who hires them.

It would not be hard to find most of them and deport them. It doesn't have to be a sealed border to get rid of them and stop them, although I think we need to beef up security at the borders.

The bottom line is that if they are not here legally, they should be deported as soon as they are caught. If they re-enter and get caught again, they should be locked up.

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« Reply #250 on: April 06, 2005, 06:05:06 PM »
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Better get Union soldiers, no need in having the losing team defend our borders







Now THAT'S a troll:rofl
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I was almost going to react to that:D  But I didn't want to get called a bigot for having pride in the section of the country I come from.
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« Reply #251 on: April 06, 2005, 06:17:30 PM »
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As for illegal labor, the problem isn't the supply, it's the demand.


If there was no supply, there would be no demand either. Choke off the supply, deport those already here and fine/jail employers caught using illegal aliens as labor.

The problem isnt just the employers as some of you think.

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wrong. Illegals have taken over labor jobs by working for dirt cheap, which alters the pay scale for legal workers.


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They virtually have locked up construction labor jobs.....jobs that paid descent money to hard-working legal citizens are now taken by illegals who work for nothing and don't pay taxes. It works that way for any job they take. They drive wages down.


When I installed siding on new homes American crews were paid $1.20 to $1.45 per sq foot of the home. Mexican crews otoh were paid as little as $.80 per square foot. Thats a huge savings to the framing contractor, even though the framing contractor has to pay a punch carpenter to fix all their mistakes.

On a 2000 sq foot home the American crew will make at least $2400. On the same home a Mexican crew will make $1600. The framing contractor then pays a punch carpenter $15 - $20/hour for 2 - 3 hours to fix all the mistakes. End result is more profits for the framing contractor and Americans that are more than willing to do the work are unemployed.

I have also seen where an American citizen hires illegal Mexicans for his entire construction crew. Instead of paying an American 15 - 20/hour he pays Mexicans 5 - 10/hour increasing his own profits.

Twice I saw immigration show up on job sites. Both times nearly every Mexican on the job site took off running to avoid arrest.

If you cant come to America legally, then you have absolutely NO business being here.
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« Reply #252 on: April 06, 2005, 06:21:53 PM »
Well bustr, you showed those people who think illegals have no effect on our Health care industry that they are wrong. To bad you wasted your time since your posts will most likely be ignored.
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« Reply #253 on: April 06, 2005, 06:35:59 PM »
Eflie, better be careful.....with that kind of talk, you might be called a bigot.

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« Reply #254 on: April 06, 2005, 06:36:55 PM »
yeah..you...you...you LONG POST HATER!!!!
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