Originally posted by lazs2
ok raider... here is what you said...
"1) Every firearm should be shot before selling and ballistics done so if it is used in a crime it can be identified.
2)Gun shows need a lot of regulating.
3)I don't like the CCW law. I would prefer to see fire-arms being carried in a holster. Prevents a lot of those accidental shootings.
I also think people with guns on their hip would be a bigger deterrent to crime than someone with one in his pocket.
4)CCW permit holders are probably a more well behaved group but they are by no means perfect or will not commit a crime with a weapon just becaue they have a CCW.
5)Instead of one that saved lives how bout you name one that caused deaths...Oh right can't because its such an open-ended statedment."
(!)ballistic fingerprinting... an expensive and useless joke... I think we can ll agree.. everyone who tries it ends up dropping it. like the old having to sign for ammo.
(2) gun shows need regulating? I don't know... to me they should follow the same laws as the rest of the area they are in. I have no problem with that.
(3) I believe you are wrong on this one. I think that it would call too much attention to the citizen and make him a target... Why don't skt marshalls carry openly or FBI? I also think that it promotes too much emotional garbage in people to see only a small percentage of people openly armed that aren't police... CC makes it difficult for criminals to know who is armed or not... a very good thing.
(4) not sure I understand this one. If they wanted to commit a crime with a weapon what difference would it make if they had a permit or not?
(5) Luby Texas is a good example. The recently passed law against carrying in a resteraunt caused the deaths of a dozen people. The gunman crashed through the front of the establishment with a truck and pulled out his gun (apparently he hadn't heard of the new law) and started killing the people who were trapped and huddling under tables waiting to die. At least 3 of the patrons had guns in their cars that they had left behind because of the law. People who have had guns taken away from them have been victims of crime every day. The highest murder rates are in the cities with the most gun control.
I read your whole thing and still don't see how we differ other than the CC thing. I belive you are just not looking at that one from more than one side. Even so... you don't name any regulations that would have prevented any shootings in this thread or any other... in fact... you would make sure that any criminal with a gun went unopposed since he would know exactly who was and wasn't armed.
If I am not armed I would like to know that it was possible that someone besides a criminal in the crowd was.
lazs
1) actually ATF uses a database (similar to what we are talking about) to match bullets. They also say if the maryland Matching program (the one you said wont catch anyone) would have been used for rifles as well as handguns, They would have caught the beltway sniper. So I guess that also gives an answer to your question about what law would say lives to.
2) no one has dropped the program that I know of. I thought they were still doing it.
3) Please I have been to guns shows. There is more shadiness there than in an apple orchard.
4)That was a response to your opinion about CCW holders never committing crimes with their weapons.
5)Hmmm maybe if guns were illegal that wouldn't have happened. But we will never know. Guns are never leaving America that is one thing I am sure of.
By the way are you aware you are 5-7 times more likely to accidently shoot yourself or someone else to death than to your use firearm in a justifiable homicide? Looked at the stats the other day. Think it was around 300 justified something like 1500-1700 accidental shootings. They were on DOJ or ATF or somewhere like that but I havent went back looking.
I guess the point of that is that CCW by no means you or others around you are safer. You are more likely to kill yourself or someone else accidentaly than to use your weapon to kill an attacker.
