Author Topic: Piracy is Killing them! (Read 2468 times)

culero · « **Reply #45 on:** April 08, 2005, 07:18:12 AM »

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Originally posted by ASTAC
or the satisfaction of them whining about you killing them.

Ahhh yes. Long live The Hate

culero (I Hate all of you!)

Vulcan · « **Reply #46 on:** April 09, 2005, 07:10:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Just like Microsoft, eh Vulcan?

I do not recall anyone shoving entertainment down my throat. Last time I checked, I had the choice to buy it or not to buy it. If I like it, I buy it, if I don't I don't.

Where do you live that you are being forced to purchase entertainment?

Yes just like Microsoft. But you're looking at it from the wrong end of the stick skuzzy. What I am talking about is the way the big boys shut down stuff they don't like. That includes new technologies and new "entertainers". Until recently musicians were practically forced into line by these big corporations, some musicians are actively embracing P2P and other digital technologies.

I've seen the reports on piracy figures. Most show an overall increase is music sales when online music sales are included. Most conclude that those pirating music would most likely not have purchased it or simply "taped it" from another source previously.

So what are the RIAA protecting? They're trying to protect their prehistoric industry structure which fills the pockets of middlemen no longer necessary.

Minid: "Nobody is denying anyone technology"

You reckon? Have you seen the legislature trying to be pushed through in the USA - where an iPod could be considered illegal, or a photocopier? Or how about that new anti-piracy technology they want enforced into every PC. Will you be happying paying more for your PC because of that. Or how about the law they are trying get through forcing you to buy a license for every device you want to listen to the music you purchased on (ie, 1 license for your CD player, 1 for your car, 1 for your MP3 player).

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 09, 2005, 07:26:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It should be okay to steal if you steal only from someone who has just a whole lot of money.

The DNC called, they copyrighted that phrase and want you to stop using it.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #48 on:** April 09, 2005, 07:33:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
What right is being removed again? And how is stealing something defending a right? The Boston Tea party wasn't a rebellion where a bunch of people got together to steal tea because the British were charging too much for it. They dumped it all into the sea and we've been drinking coffee ever since.

Thankyou for proving my point for me vulcan. You don't get it because you don't want to.

Nobody is denying anyone technology. Nobody is denying anyone music.

Yea this is pretty short sighted. THe RIAA and MPAA are trying to kill P2P technology just like they wanted to kill the VCR/beta.

I'm not defending the right for somone to ilegally download music/movies. I'm defending the right of a legitimit business operating legitimate technology being sued out of existance because the customers are misusing it.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #49 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:54:21 AM »

If RIAA would have offered working alternatives to P2P initially, nobody would have needed to be sued at all. Most people will choose the legal way when possible.

They didn't listen to the demand of the market and they 'suffer' for it. Realistically speaking thier sales are doing better than ever and nobody else except the consumer is getting hurt through thier witch hunt that's consuming millions of lawyer dollars. Every single one of them included in each overpriced cd or dvd you buy.

Remember the 90's promises of droping the cd prices to LP levels once production gets running? False promises, lies and most of all greed.

Siaf__csf · « **Reply #50 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:56:59 AM »

I've boycoted every product that's related to RIAA for about 2 years now. I won't buy a single CD as long as they're suing people.

Mini D · « **Reply #51 on:** April 10, 2005, 11:18:38 AM »

The equipment is out there that enables anyone to produce their own music. Virtually anyone can release an album on the web. The problem is, once it hits the web, it now becomes "free" thanks to all the people that feel the RIAA is evil. In an environment where doors are being opened, the public is showing exactly how little they really care about anything but themselves when it comes to stealing.

The small companies are getting crushed by piracy. The big companies are just getting bigger because of it.

Basically, every argument that's being levied in this thread is exactly why piracy is a problem that cannot be ignored. Every argument being levied in this thread is exactly why the big corperations are being empowered every time one of their products is stolen.

If you want to reduce the cost of a product, there needs to be a reduction in demand. This is fundamental economics. The only way to hurt a company is to show you do not need them nor their products. Stealing their products does nothing other than justify the cost.

Damn... it's simply amazing that people still continue to justify their actions. Steal away... just don't pretend it's for some kind of noble cause. And don't pretend it doesn't have an impact on anything.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #52 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:39:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
The equipment is out there that enables anyone to produce their own music. Virtually anyone can release an album on the web. The problem is, once it hits the web, it now becomes "free" thanks to all the people that feel the RIAA is evil. In an environment where doors are being opened, the public is showing exactly how little they really care about anything but themselves when it comes to stealing.

The small companies are getting crushed by piracy. The big companies are just getting bigger because of it.

Basically, every argument that's being levied in this thread is exactly why piracy is a problem that cannot be ignored. Every argument being levied in this thread is exactly why the big corperations are being empowered every time one of their products is stolen.

If you want to reduce the cost of a product, there needs to be a reduction in demand. This is fundamental economics. The only way to hurt a company is to show you do not need them nor their products. Stealing their products does nothing other than justify the cost.

Damn... it's simply amazing that people still continue to justify their actions. Steal away... just don't pretend it's for some kind of noble cause. And don't pretend it doesn't have an impact on anything.

Its simply amazing that people still continue to justify the predetory actions of big companys that arent losing a dime but want to have TOTAL control. Yup why even invent the next greatest thing. Somone might use it wrongly and the MPAA/RIAA will sue you out of existance.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #53 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:52:03 PM »

typical owner of an evil multinational...like Sony, (SNE) which closed on Friday at 40.34, or Time Warner (TWX) which closed at 17.97:

Mini D · « **Reply #54 on:** April 10, 2005, 12:59:37 PM »

What company's actions am I justifying? Show me where I agree with any of the buisness practices of the RIAA.

I'm saying it's stupid to steal music on the internet and blame the RIAA for it. It only serves to strengthen the position of the RIAA. It only serves as a justification to either increase the cost of the music or to restrict internet access. The RIAA is not responsible for what is going on with napster/e-mule/bitorrent/etc... idiots that use them all illegaly are.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #55 on:** April 10, 2005, 01:22:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
What company's actions am I justifying? Show me where I agree with any of the buisness practices of the RIAA.

I'm saying it's stupid to steal music on the internet and blame the RIAA for it. It only serves to strengthen the position of the RIAA. It only serves as a justification to either increase the cost of the music or to restrict internet access. The RIAA is not responsible for what is going on with napster/e-mule/bitorrent/etc... idiots that use them all illegaly are.

I disagree. If they'd have reacted swiftly instead of tryin to save their archaic business model people would have never resorted to this in such measures. I'm not saying stealing is right but somone could have done the same thing with cassette tapes bud didn't because there was a better alternative.

Mini D · « **Reply #56 on:** April 10, 2005, 02:34:58 PM »

You disagree with just what exactly? And... you seem to think they should have done something OTHER than stop people from stealing from them? How do you come up with this ****?

Vulcan · « **Reply #57 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:17:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Damn... it's simply amazing that people still continue to justify their actions. Steal away... just don't pretend it's for some kind of noble cause. And don't pretend it doesn't have an impact on anything.

Actually I haven't downloaded an MP3 legally or illegally for a long time now. Nor have I purchased music. Most of my audio time is spent listening to audiobooks thankfully published by non-music industry sources.

However, the RIAA is trying to enforce security into my PC, my MP3 player, my car audio system. So I say screw them and applaude those that damage the RIAA and their cronies financially.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #58 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:19:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
You disagree with just what exactly? And... you seem to think they should have done something OTHER than stop people from stealing from them? How do you come up with this ****?

Ummm yes. I do seem to think they should have done something other than sue their own customers. There are ALOT of things they could have done. Most people LOVED napster cause of it's convenience. But, like others it had it's limitations. If they would have offered a $20 a month all u can DL service that was fast and had good music on it I would have signed up and so would have millions of others. They could have nipped this in the bud so to speak from the very begining.

Just as the article explains the beginings of the VCR. They faught it kicking and screaming and it turned out to be one of their most viable ventures to day leading up to today's DVD sales.

Then I hear that piracy is killing them and they need this new technology needs to be stopped.....take one look at their sales stats and that doesnt quite seem to be the case.

People WILL pay for a good DVD with the extras and the packaging vrs. downloading it. The market studies are out there. There ARE honest people who WILL pay for a GOOD product. The MPAA and RIAA just don't get that. I dont agree with piracy but the MPAA/RIAA going after P2P because of it is BS.

Mini D · « **Reply #59 on:** April 10, 2005, 03:38:01 PM »

Going after someone stealing something from you is never BS.

Piracy does not hurt those listed vulcan, it hurts those not listed. You are applauding the destruction of the smaller companies because you seem to think it's worth it to be a thorn in the side of a larger company. That's sad.

The RIAA would have had to step in and take over napster. The program itself would have had to make allowances for strict controll of the tracking of software/music being distributed. There would have been every bit the *****ing from that action that we are seeing now. Quite simply, those "customers" were only "customers" when the product was free. You're basically arguing that as long as a shoplifter buys something, he shouldn't be punished for the things he stole. Every singe one of the arguments for piracy enabling software is simply transparent.

You also realize that the fundamental justification that the RIAA is making money, therefore stealing from them is OK is quite silly too? It doesn't matter how much is made, but how much is stolen. The stock holders in those companies are all impacted by the fact that billions of dollars of extra revenue were lost. How much is made does not impact that in any way, shape or form.

So... once again, I don't go out and preach that piracy is evil and you're going to hell if you do it. I just don't have the stoumach to sit and read about someone insisting that it's a good thing and they're some kind of robin hood for doing it. It is stealing. There is no fundamental justification for it. Do it, shut up, and pray you don't get caught.