Piracy is Killing them!

[Skuzzy]

That is pure simple rationalizatrion Vulcan.

I miss many movie releases, or chose not to see them in the theater.  I do not mind waiting until they are available on DVD.  Why would anyone mind waiting?

I do not like the RIAA either, but rather than just steal the work, I would rather think it would be more beneficial to attack the actual problem.  Stealing/pirating is not going to solve anything.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Mini D
If you want to reduce the cost of a product, there needs to be a reduction in demand. This is fundamental economics.

Increase in supply reduces cost as well.  And what we are talking about is a massive increase in supply of the product at an incredibly lower cost.  

And the prices of CDs are dropping because of it, at least they are up here.

[lada]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
typical owner of an evil multinational...like Sony, (SNE) which closed on Friday at 40.34, or Time Warner (TWX) which closed at 17.97:

jebus... is she going to eat that baby ?


no no no..... i knew it... i knew it...  Im so happy that i dont buy Sony

[lada]

Originally posted by Vulcan
MiniD you don't seem be to "up with the play" on what they are trying to get passed into the law in the USA, and subsquently forced through in other countries.

The first issue is they are trying to make any product whos "primary" use is illegal ... illegal. Very vague, it could end it up including photocopiers, vcr's, dvd burners, cd writers, tape decks.

The second issue is they are trying to enforce copy protection hardware into every electronic recording device. IE PC's, MP3 players, CD players.

The next one gets very dodgey. They are trying to enforce licensed software/multimedia only. Although they are calling it "authorised". Basically your DVD/MP3 player will not play any music/video that has got a certain type of security certificate. MS was very big into this one (I forget their codename). For example, if I was in a band and cut an MP3 track, you could not listen to my music unless I purchased an authentication "certificate" for my track.

Then theres the music licensing. One law they are pushing goes to the extent of requiring you to own a license for a music track on a per device basis. IE, if you want to play it on your stereo, MP3 player, and card cd player you need to buy 3 licenses.

The most extreme system being discussed is a per play license. Where you download a track and pay for each time you listen to it.

Notice how a lot of this stuff has gone beyond curing the piracy issue to the "lets secure a lifetime of money"?

come on boy


DVD were also UNhackable UNrippable untill it has been released

let them enforce us to lick the ground and we will simply put an icecream right to the place, where we are supposed to lick it.


So goverment will pass the law, whitch IS ABSOLUTLY BRILIANT AND WILL SAVE THE WORLD .... MS and other lobotomized compnies owned by whoever will get big deals and all people will sleep well , coz they cant commit sins anymore.

Goverments sux at "CODE warfare"



its just another useless try Vulcan dont be that scared.



Just one final qusetion .... Did crucify of Napster solve something ?

[lada]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
Stealing/pirating is not going to solve anything.

So you probably realize that concept of selling movies, music is obsolete and should be changed ?


Movie and music industry should finaly realize that nobody want to buy rabbit in the bag and listen how he has been rip off, while some funny puppy in gayish t-shirt earned megabillions, coz i bought black box.



Does it make sense ?

[Skuzzy]

I have no problem paying for DVD's, as I have said before.  I think it is a good value for my entertainment dollar.

I did not make any proposals.  What are you proposing?  If the DVD cannot be bought in a store, then I will no longer be able to enjoy them.  Screw that.  I like my movies.

[Edbert1]

Having a 150mph car like mine is legal, driving it at 150mph on  public roads is illegal. Owning a firearm is legal (for now), using it to threaten or harm my neighbor is illegal.

The technology and tools that pirates use should remain legal, stealing copyrighted material and IP should remain illegal.

Law enforcement needs to be smarter or try harder than the criminals; that is the only constitutional solution. Of course the ppublic can tell the LE officials that movie/music/software piracy is low on the priority list of things to pursue and prosecute. That is what I heard said early in this thread.

[NUKE]

Originally posted by lada
So you probably realize that concept of selling movies, music is obsolete and should be changed ?


 

Yeah, how silly of the music and movie industry to think they might be able to sell their products which they have invested millions of dollars in. It's such an obsolete concept.

[Skuzzy]

If I read him correctly NUKE, he thinks it should be changed, but does not make any suggestion as to what it should be changed to.

I cannot figure out why it is obsolete to go to a retail store and purchase the DVD, but I am curious.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
That is pure simple rationalizatrion Vulcan.

I miss many movie releases, or chose not to see them in the theater.  I do not mind waiting until they are available on DVD.  Why would anyone mind waiting?

I do not like the RIAA either, but rather than just steal the work, I would rather think it would be more beneficial to attack the actual problem.  Stealing/pirating is not going to solve anything.

Only takes 1 movie you want to see. Its fairly prolific to the point it suprises me now in NZ considering we pay for bandwidth. It certainly wasn't this bad before the govt introduced the restrictions so how else would you explain the way things went?

FWIW I have a satellite TV sub, and for the last 6 or 7 years my attitude was that was my source of movies... between work and gaming I've never had time so never worried about the latest movies. So my point of view is more an obervation than a participation.

[Mini D]

I'm growing very tired of your blind ignorance vulcan.

The RIAA avoided digital distribution on the net for the very reasons Napster highlighted. Once you distribute it on the net, it is all but impossible to keep from being re-distributed. The old "it's just a backup" defense... a backup that hundreds of millions of people have access too.

You want to know why I think people are downloading more free movies in NZ right now? It's because in the last year bittorent has made it easier than ever. I know more people in the states that download DvDs rather than buy them. And that's given the fact that people know I actually buy all the DvDs in my collection and are reluctant to bring the subject up around me.

As for your movie theater example, you're blaming the RIAA or the movie industry for that one? Really? I mean... it's not like it was killing the buisness at your local theaters... right? It must have been the RIAA that forced your legislation to act so swiftly. Lord knows it couldn't have been the theater owners that were seeing a significant loss of revenue. Nah. It must have been the RIAA that was responsible for all that is evil.

As for the chinese piracy thing... what exactly is anyone supposed to do about that again? They don't waste time on the stuff they have no control over. They go after the things they do. Piracy over the internet, in the states, is that thing. It is driving all of the "features" you're *****ing about. It is the root cause of everything you're citing the RIAA for.

The RIAA is guilty of wanting to hold onto licensing rights. They are guilty of thinking that making something easy to re-distribute will result in massive re-distribution (Napster and such proved this to the nth degree). They are guilty of being a typical greedy organization... just like every other company in the world.

You don't like the way they throttle distribution channels, then address that. That has nothing to do with piracy. Well.. actually it does. Every channel that is made available to enable independants to get out from under the RIAA is overwhelmed by transfer of pirated files. The little guy is shut out not by the RIAA, but by piracy.

Wake up and put a little thought into the subject vulcan. The RIAA is a typical buisness. If you don't like the way they do it, then go after their buisness practices. Stealing from them is not accomplishing anything, it is only validating them. Everything you have posted has only validated the RIAA's stance on virtually every anti-piracy policy they are driving.

I'm sorry, but that's really all I have to say on the subject.

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by Mini D
Wake up and put a little thought into the subject vulcan. The RIAA is a typical buisness. If you don't like the way they do it, then go after their buisness practices. Stealing from them is not accomplishing anything, it is only validating them. Everything you have posted has only validated the RIAA's stance on virtually every anti-piracy policy they are driving.

I'm sorry, but that's really all I have to say on the subject.

LOL. I'm not stealing from them (as I noted earlier). Merely pointing out that they have contributed heavily to their current situation and that I find their bleating amusing and their moves towards stifling technology predatory.

Yes they are a business. Yes they tried to monopolize the market. No they failed to meet consumer demand. Yes the consumer demand met its own needs.

Take ANOTHER example in NZ. There is no Itunes store, nor any other "MP3" store. The only online music sales we have access to are very old music or local content. Now, where do you think all those people with MP3 players like Ipods go to get their music online?

Its kind of like the only guy that owns an apple tree in town always bragging about how great his apples are but only letting people buy apple skin. Eventually someone gets pissed off and steals his apples.

RIAA deny them the channels, so they make their own. Then the RIAA cry "piracy" because they failed to meet market demands. Oh dear how sad never mind, your industry is running out of money to keep your "bling" and drug habits going because you tried to be smart and got outmanoevred in the market.

[Holden McGroin]

It should be okay to steal if you steal from only those corporations with questionable ethics... who have just a whole lot of money... and who have failed to meet market demands.

There it is, the ethical standard of the third millenium.

[Mini D]

Originally posted by Vulcan
The members of the RIAA have nobody to blame but themselves. They tried to stiffle competition and innovation, and it backfired on them. Ha bloody ha... like the man says... rip & burn!

I didn't say you stole anything vulcan, but you sure as hell seem to think piracy is merrited. You only use the fact that you don't pirate as some kind of holy ground. You condone it, you praise it, you ignore the rammifications. It's called ignorance.

[Thrawn]

Sooo, should I take a lack of response as you conceding my point Minid?