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Offline Maverick

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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2005, 12:34:23 PM »
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that is exactly right.  hydrogen is only viable if we first shoot all the lawyers.


Where do I sign up? To shoot the lawyers anyhow. I wouldn't mind hydrogen IF it were available so you could go somewhere. Of course my Volvo is a diesel anyhow so I can't use it.
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« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2005, 12:36:35 PM »
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Oh, and before you start thinking you're the only one with 'cycle experience, I currently own 50% of this one





I've got your bike's handy-capable little brother sitting in my garage... even down to the flames.... :aok

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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2005, 12:36:40 PM »
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2004 Ford Explorer, Amsoil treatment, and a K&N,
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Please explain. My bride is driving an '02 and it doesn't get near that mileage. She has the V8; is your's a 6?

What is the "amsoil treatment" exactly? Engine and trans?

K&N I know; did you happen to do it stage by stage and keep mpg records? Or did you do both at once? In other words, how much do you think the K&N alone is worth?

Overall, how much did you increase the mpg with these two changes?
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« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2005, 12:38:49 PM »
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Optimism?  Hope?  LOL!  Those two and a couple of bucks might get you a cup of coffee.

I consider it borderline delusional for anyone to think what they believe to be the right thing to will actually get done.  It will only get done if there is a benefit to the politicians.  Either more votes, or more money in thier pockets.
You can take all your idealistic wishes and flush them, for all the good they will do.  As long the limosines who drive the politicians and rich around have gas, nothing will change.
If anyone jumps on that bandwagon, you can bet there is an alternative reason why they are doing so.


You hit the nail on the head there Skuzzy.

We have a viable alternative to Middle East oil now, its called Changing World Technologies. Not sure why they arent doing better than they are. Maybe Toad can shed some light on that.

I agree with the dangers associated with hydrogen cars, first explosion and hydrogen powered cars are history here in the US.
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« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2005, 12:38:54 PM »
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Toad can you post a link for that?


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Changing World Technologies Calls for Expanded Biomass Energy Tax Credit
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« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2005, 12:38:59 PM »
Nice bike there toad.. But as sky's sentence went I believe it will still hold true unless Im not certain what you mean by larger engines..

I've had 600 and 750 cc bikes that I could get anywhere from 50-70 mpg depending on how I drove them.  Sport bikes that still carry 2 but little room for luggage.  It would be hard to beat those numbers with any other type single person transporataion, no?

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« Reply #51 on: April 08, 2005, 01:09:54 PM »
Hi Guys,

Having worked in a city where people would gladly consider selling their grandmother at a discount in order to get re-elected, and knowing several pastors with congregation members on the supply side who are telling me essentially the same thing as MwXX, I am bound to ask a simple question to the conspiracy theorists.

Alright, lets assume for the sake of the argument that Michael Moore is spot on and  that the oil companies own George Bush and every single Republican in elected office (with the exception of media-darling St. John McCain of course). Why would they intentionally drive oil prices through the roof when it hurts the popularity ratings of the administration more than any other single issue and would contribute to a string of electoral defeats. Surely they have a vested interest in keeping their "puppets" in power? Especially considering that anyone who has even a passing acquaintance with economics realizes that you can make more money selling a commodity for a long period of time at a moderate price than you can selling it for an excessive amount for a very short period of time?

[Additionally, they must realize that necessity is the mother of invention and ever increasing energy prices will force us to get out some of the repackaged Area 51 alien technology to power our vehicles. Unless of course they know they can always activate the implanted chips in our brains prior to the next election via a microwave transmission imbedded in the middle of Rush Limbaugh's subliminal advertizing for McDonalds? Even if the chips fail I guess they can fall back to calling on their CFR buddies to reprogram the voting machines. No wonder the space shuttle is "suddenly safe enough" to be launched again!

Which leads me to ask, do they own Hillary as well and this is part of the disinformation campaign with the houses of Bush and Clinton merely trading power while their fat cat buddies get rich? What about the Freemasons, have they lost standing with the Illuminati because of their perceived inability to control the next papal election?]

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« Reply #52 on: April 08, 2005, 01:10:19 PM »
There is no doubt that smaller vehicles like motorcycles are more fuel efficient. The problem is practicality. Not sure many soccer moms are going to be using them to haul the kids to practice, bring home groceries, ect, ect. What we need is an overall more efficient vehicle that is practical in hauling a payload of 500 - 1000 lbs.

Not all of us live in urban areas with access to public transportation. There is a need for pickups, suv's and trucks. We need a more efficient version of these vehicles that is fueled by renewable sources. Hydrogen is one possibility, so are fuel cells.

Those talking about the catastrophic explosion of a ruptured tank in an accident are limiting their POV to using conventional high pressure tanks. A fuel cell has a very low chance of explosion. NASA has been using them for decades with a high success rate under very adverse conditions. Granted, those cells are fed from high pressure tanks, but they have no choice in space. They are forced to carry their fuel source with them.

A fuel cell operating in the atmosphere could have an device to extract oxygen, hydrogen or what ever gas is needed directly from the air. These extraction devices are not that complicated. Many senior citizens have home oxygen generators that sit next to their bed or are strapped to their wheelchair. These simply extract the needed gas from room air.

There no doubt would be needed modifications to make one suitable for a fuel cell, but the technology is here...now. As long as we make it known that we will continue to pay thru the nose for fossil fuels, those sources will continue to rake in the profit.
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« Reply #53 on: April 08, 2005, 01:51:56 PM »
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Changing World Technologies Calls for Expanded Biomass Energy Tax Credit


Thanks Toad! :)

Imo changes need to be addressed asap. CWT could very well eliminate our dependence on foreign oil.
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« Reply #54 on: April 08, 2005, 02:02:28 PM »
Don't know Elfie. I had high hopes for these guys. However, they are clearly saying they can't make it happen unless they're subsidized.

Not exactly what you want to hear when talking about a viable "alternative" source.

The gas/alcohol industry says the same thing; can't work unless subsidized.

I was hoping CWT had a technology that could stand on its own in the marketplace. As yet, they don't talk about how much a gallon of their biodiesel REALLY costs, straight up. That's what I'd like to know.

There is the possibility that with rising oil prices it could become a stand alone technology. I think we should support them for a while but sooner or later.... a kid has to leave the nest.
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« Reply #55 on: April 08, 2005, 02:10:26 PM »
From what I read in that link it sounds like they are having difficulty competing with other forms of bio-diesel because of the subsidies.  Others get subsidies, CWT doesnt. Maybe eliminate the subsidies altogether?

I did read somewhere that CWT made improvements to their plant in Carthage to increase productivity and profits. Maybe that will help them out.
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« Reply #56 on: April 08, 2005, 02:22:53 PM »
Can you process municipal sewage sludge?
At our pilot plant in Philadelphia, we have successfully applied our process to the waste stream processed at a major city’s bio-solids facility, pursuant to a detailed testing protocol. Discussions are currently under way to provide financing for the design, construction and deployment of a large-scale processing plant.

http://www.changingworldtech.com/information_center/faq.asp#15

They cant be doing to badly since they are trying to get another plant up and running here in the US.
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« Reply #57 on: April 08, 2005, 04:47:26 PM »
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You keep thinking and talking about end results Sky/88, but the cost to get there would end up costing more than the gasoline is and the side effects could be far worse.
It continues to be the problem with alternative fuels.


Not the case with biodiesel, it grows from the ground and the process is not that complicated. One thing that is not taken into consideration is the cost of securing foreign oil, and when factored in brings the cost of that gallon of gas alot higher.
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« Reply #58 on: April 08, 2005, 05:11:22 PM »
"There is no doubt that smaller vehicles like motorcycles are more fuel efficient. The problem is practicality. Not sure many soccer moms are going to be using them to haul the kids to practice, bring home groceries, ect, ect. What we need is an overall more efficient vehicle that is practical in hauling a payload of 500 - 1000 lbs. "

But how many of these big vehicles do you see every day with only one occupant?

If all those people in SUVs cars etc driving on the highway on their own converted to smaller cars or motorcycles the impact on polution and fuel use would be huge.

How many single guys or girls still drive great gas guzzlers when they have no kids no family to lug about. I see em all the time. Its just plain daft. Sitting on their own in vehicles burning lots of fuel yet carrying nothing but the driver and a briefcase, or bag.

Of course its up to you but I know which mode of transport I'd rather drive/ride. Its a kick looking in the windows of the bored stationary fed up masses as they burn fuel whilst going nowhere every single day I ride to work, whilst i whizz by in comfort and having a ball.

I do agree that fuel efficiency or alternatives need to be developed for the Mum market too though.

I think its whats called a combined approach.
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« Reply #59 on: April 08, 2005, 05:23:11 PM »
"There is no doubt that smaller vehicles like motorcycles are more fuel efficient. The problem is practicality. Not sure many soccer moms are going to be using them to haul the kids to practice, bring home groceries, ect, ect. What we need is an overall more efficient vehicle that is practical in hauling a payload of 500 - 1000 lbs. "

you cant do that with a regular car?