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[rpm]

So I was filled up my Explorer this afternoon and made a comment about them having the cheapest gas in the county at $2.17 a gallon. The owner (a friend of mine) told me to enjoy it while it lasts. His supplier told him this afternoon the price will be $3.75 by Labor Day.

[ASTAC]

Well it's time to finish fixing the old motorcycle....At least the 2 gallons that I put in it will last almost 2 weeks...really this is nothing but a greed issue and not so much a suplly and demand issue..."they" are intentionally lowering the supply to raise prices...like oil barons aren't rich enough.

GAS Price Watch

[rpm]

Originally posted by ASTAC
...really this is nothing but a greed issue and not so much a suplly and demand issue..."they" are intentionally lowering the supply to raise prices...

Bingo.

[JB88]

anyone care to have that alternative energy discussion now?

[MwXX]

Well..considering Im in the business....(Pipeline) to be exact....the demand over this winter and spring has been unreal....the refinery where Im from is a major contributor for gas, diesel and jet sales....they cant make it fast enough...usually they can hold storage and sell to the needy (aka areas most in demand) but streaming sales as its produced is unreal...

At times we run out....shut down (pipeline, not production) for 12 hours....then start moving it again.....

Ive heard $3 easily over the summer.....

So If I aint getting any days off to see my kid or enjoy my time off, just to keep things flowing smoothly...KEEP filling up that HEMI and keep filling up that EXCURSION....Cuz YOU WILL PAY MY OVERTIME TO KEEP YOUR SMILING LITTLE FACES HAPPY ON THE ROAD...



you know I love you guys...just thought I would fill you in!!!!:eek:

[doobs]

for gas to get to 3.75 a barrel of oil would have to hit a 100 a barrel, not going to happen. Three thing running up prices. Far east consumption, hedge speculators, and the lack of Refinery's in our country, the US hasn't built a new major refinery since the 1970's.

[Nash]

Originally posted by doobs
for gas to get to 3.75 a barrel of oil would have to hit a 100 a barrel, not going to happen. Three thing running up prices. Far east consumption, hedge speculators, and the lack of Refinery's in our country, the US hasn't built a new major refinery since the 1970's.

What of those three things is going to change between now and $100 a barrel?

[Skydancer]

"anyone care to have that alternative energy discussion now?"

Hybrid

Hydrogen

Biodiesel

Fuel cell heaven?

Even this guy can see the need

[Skuzzy]

You keep thinking and talking about end results Sky/88, but the cost to get there would end up costing more than the gasoline is and the side effects could be far worse.
It continues to be the problem with alternative fuels.

Hydrogen will work,..until the first accident where a car explodes.  Then every lawyer in the country will be all over it.  They are already salivating to get their grubby little paws on a case like that.  Investors would be idiots to put money into it.

I am all for alternate fuels, but the reality is, it ain't gonna happen.  Talk about it until you are blue in the face.  It simply will not be done.
Which puzzles me as to why you two keep wanting to even discuss it.

[storch]

Originally posted by Skuzzy
You keep thinking and talking about end results Sky/88, but the cost to get there would end up costing more than the gasoline is and the side effects could be far worse.
It continues to be the problem with alternative fuels.

Hydrogen will work,..until the first accident where a car explodes.  Then every lawyer in the country will be all over it.  They are already salivating to get their grubby little paws on a case like that.  Investors would be idiots to put money into it.

I am all for alternate fuels, but the reality is, it ain't gonna happen.  Talk about it until you are blue in the face.  It simply will not be done.
Which puzzles me as to why you two keep wanting to even discuss it.

that is exactly right.  hydrogen is only viable if we first shoot all the lawyers.

[oboe]

Conventionally powered cars can burn and explode in accidents, what is the difference?

I also wonder about the strength of the container necessary to keep the hydrogen under enough pressure while it is carried around in the vehicle.  It is going to have to be inherently so strong just to accomplish its function, would the kinetic energy of an auto accident really be severe enough to cause explosive failure?

I'm more of the mind of 'where there is a will there's a way'.   Perhaps a solution as simple as no-lawsuit clauses in the purchase agreements of hydrogen vehicles would suffice?

[storch]

yes the exploding pintos,  seen any lately? the problem is what you said

first is the volume of hydrogen required. second is how to transport it safely under great pressure.

[Rolex]

Woah... hold on there.

It is on the radar outside the US. I have a Hydrogen Filling Station that just went up less than 2 miles from my house. It's part of a pilot program here in Japan. The cars will be along shortly here. While many people are just moaning about the future, there are consortiums here actually building and trying to prove and improve the technology.

We've come along way since the TRS-80, but we had to build PC hardware to improve efficiency and reduce costs.  Where would we be if we didn't build  for the last 20 years? You have to admit that these last few decades moved pretty fast, Skuzzy?

As a matter of fact, I'm going to visit some of the  people next week at the organization building these about doing an article for some of my clients and perhaps a few Engineering journals.

I'll post a photo some time next week...

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Oh, and by the way... the US will be at ~$10/gal by 2012 or so. And no one is slowing down production and there is no need for any more refineries in the US. You only build refineries when and where you have the crude supply. There are no hidden, secret, untapped wells or new large sources in continental US, so don't worry about refineries. One reason refineries haven't been built since the 1970's is that the US reached its peak production in 1970 and has been on the back side of the supply since then.

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And... LPG seems like a pretty scary fuel also, but taxis have been running on LPG in Japan for decades without incident.

[OneWordAnswer]

Originally posted by rpm
His supplier told him this afternoon the price will be $3.75 by Labor Day.

No.

[storch]

Originally posted by Rolex
Woah... hold on there.

It is on the radar outside the US. I have a Hydrogen Filling Station that just went up less than 2 miles from my house. It's part of a pilot program here in Japan. The cars will be along shortly here. While many people are just moaning about the future, there are consortiums here actually building and trying to prove and improve the technology.

We've come along way since the TRS-80, but we had to build PC hardware to improve efficiency and reduce costs.  Where would we be if we didn't build  for the last 20 years? You have to admit that these last few decades moved pretty fast, Skuzzy?

As a matter of fact, I'm going to visit some of the  people next week at the organization building these about doing an article for some of my clients and perhaps a few Engineering journals.

I'll post a photo some time next week...

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Oh, and by the way... the US will be at ~$10/gal by 2012 or so. And no one is slowing down production and there is no need for any more refineries in the US. You only build refineries when and where you have the crude supply. There are no hidden, secret, untapped wells or new sources in continental US, so don't worry about refineries.

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And... LPG seems like a pretty scary fuel also, but taxis have been running on LPG in Japan for decades without incident.

how efficient is hydrogen/cell technology compared to gasoline engines.  IIRC the gasoline engine is 20% mechanically efficient. I was under the impression the hydrogen/cell technology has the potential of achieving 30-40% but currently it is not even as efficient as the gasoline engine.  am I wrong here?