Question for HTC, Relevant to everyone

[hubsonfire]

Okay, since we now have reporting options for both text and voice comms, can we please have some official (read that, from HTC, not you other mooks ) explanation of what does or does not constitute abuse of the comms? No assumptions, please, I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer. I don't recall having seen or heard of a ToS for Aces High, and I personally think this would be a good time to nail it down.

Thanks,
hub

[DeacBlue]

Originally posted by hub
I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer.

Um, how about "Act your age, not your IQ"?

[JB73]

my guess would profanity and the like...


thats what started this whole "squelch range" controversy, people with children in the room, or children playing and hearing ****** ***** ***** **** ***** **** **** ***** ***** **** **** *** **** ****** ********* ** ** * ***** ***

[hubsonfire]

Again, I'm looking for an answer from HTC that we can all see for ourselves, not the various theories on it. I'm not phased by occasional profanity, but I can't stand the guys who spam range channel with pointless discussions, argue, etc. Just saying 'no profanity' wouldn't do it. Don't get me wrong, I'm okay with profanity and racial slurs in their as well, but what are the specifics? Do we report the guys that sit on the ground in an m3 and b*tch? The guys who scream and yell about no 6 calls? Range spamming? (had a guy the other night keep range vox filled with a play by play of every hit he took, while in the middle of a fight. he simply would not shut up.) I consider that abuse. does htc? Each of the sides have those guys who will fill country text with some variation of "you guys suck, get organized and win the war", normally filled with insults and masked profanity. Is that abuse? If masked profanity is abuse, what about WTFG?

Also, does the report command log what has recently been said, or what is said following the .report entry?
While I appreciate that everyone has an opinion on this, and a few will offer it, I'd like to see something from the boss.

[pellik]

Originally posted by JB73
my guess would profanity and the like...


thats what started this whole "squelch range" controversy, people with children in the room, or children playing and hearing ****** ***** ***** **** ***** **** **** ***** ***** **** **** *** **** ****** ********* ** ** * ***** ***

I think I decrypted your * message. Don't see why you encrypted ********* tho.

[Cooley]

I'd have to report my squadies..all day long , and especialy later in the evenin

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Okay, since we now have reporting options for both text and voice comms, can we please have some official (read that, from HTC, not you other mooks ) explanation of what does or does not constitute abuse of the comms? No assumptions, please, I'm looking for a straight-up cut and dried answer. I don't recall having seen or heard of a ToS for Aces High, and I personally think this would be a good time to nail it down.

Thanks,
hub

I'd say dream on because every unemployed, beer drinking, 21-24 year old momma's boy thinks its cool to sound tough behind the cloak of the net. Other than some squelching and voice privs lost if you actually type the words correctly, there is no policing of the MA and definately not the CT. There are lots of youngsters looking over daddy's shoulder so I agree with you.

On the other hand, ToS was AOHell crap that had us spend more time answering garbage that it was almost to the point of being valueless. Let AOHell keep their garbage. If the powers that be really wanted to do something they know what to do. They came from other games and know how it was handled so it's not like it can't be accomplished.



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[SkyRock]

Many people play this game for a release, so I understand when someone blows off some steam.  I have definitely abused the vox and text on many occasions.  I also think you have a good idea, Hub, to have HT "lay out the law" on this issue.  The problem is that the community is as diverse as society.  That being said, most of the abuses are as common as what I hear as a jr. high science teacher.  I hear much worse at school from "children".  It would be interesting if HT laid down a "cut and dry" set of regulations, because most would find a "general" set of rules to be unfair in their own situation.   I can't help but be reminded of Howard Stern's situation.  You can say "p___y" but you cant say "****".  I have been warned maybe three times.  Twice for language.  Once I got squelched foir 10 minutes for saying "You HO'er",  but I was meaning "You head on guy, you."  I also got warned for calling names... i.e. "punk!"  so Iwould find the task that you request a formidable challenge for anyone to accomplish "fairly".

[SkyRock]

LMAO, as I just got censored for typing "Sh_t"

[sullie363]

I would suppose the only things that would be run down would be personal abuse and not the random bullsh*ting.

[SlapShot]

If the powers that be really wanted to do something they know what to do. They came from other games and know how it was handled so it's not like it can't be accomplished.

I guess it went right over your head ...

The "powers that be" did do "something". They gave us a .command that will automatically report people abusing vox and text.

Hubs is simply asking HTC or HT to set some ground rules under which someone would need to be reported so he doesn't have to "dream on".

[Shane]

I wonder how many radio comms i can get suspended by over-eager vox populi reports?

[MrLars]

Circumventing the ROC would be easy if those rules were posted.

As it is now, HT has great latitude in enforcing his rules as they now exist.

Best thing to do is to use common courtesy and behave as if you were in a public place, if you find that hard to do I think it's questionable whether you should be out in public at all. IMO

[Demman]

Originally posted by MrLars


As it is now, HT has great latitude in enforcing his rules as they now exist.

That lattitude also makes whatever punishment that is meted out completely arbitrary.

What happens when one player is muted or kicked for profanity, while another one isn't?

If there are going to be punishments for abuse, then I think there should also be concrete rules for what *exactly* constitutes abuse, and what doesn't.

Best thing to do is to use common courtesy and behave as if you were in a public place

Always good advice.  

Unfortunately "common" courtesy is one of the most *UN*common things in our society these days.

I favor the "if you don't want to hear it, don't listen" approach -- let players squelch the vox channels as a whole, in addition to being able to squelch individual players.

[Grizzly]

I got your TOS right here.

Providing a detailed list of no nos, and a list of banned words will only result in some people pushing the edge and then using the excuse that what they did wasn't on the list.

Generally one should not use vulgarity or racial slurs. It's obvious most players know what they shouldn't say... this is evident with the abundant masking of words in AH and here. If you know enough to insert an asterisk or intentionally mis-spell a word, like "chit", you know you shouldn't use it. And generally people know what not to say to prevent getting punched in the nose in a bar full of black folks.

But there is also game disruption... things that have nothing to do with playing the game that irritate people and ruin their enjoyment. Spamming a channel is an example. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know not to do these things. If you don't know doing these things will piss HiTech off, you need to be thinned from the gene pool anyway.

HTC does provide a service to inform people when they cross the line. It's called a moderator warning. If you are told not to say or do something and you are stupid enough to continue doing it anyway, you've earned your time off and have no one to blame but yourself.

All a list of infractions will do is inform players just how far they can go before crossing the line. Those who choose to push the limits are throwing themselves upon the mercy of the moderators who are then forced to make a decision whether or not to allow it. This results in inconsistency, depending upon the moderator and how he/she feels at the time. This is when we hear crying about how some nasty moderator who picked on some poor boob who should have known better than to push the edge in the first place.

It is possible to go through a lifetime in this game without getting warned, many accomplish this. But those who choose to dance with the devil should not complain when they get burned. That's all the TOS you need to know.

Have a nice day...