Author Topic: I'm Not Moving to Scandanavia After All... (Read 2506 times)

FUNKED1 · « **Reply #105 on:** April 19, 2005, 02:27:26 AM »

Yes, we understand well that you have been heavily indoctrinated by your government. They control your physical life by drafting you and then they control your economic life by drafting your wages. Someday hopefully we can bring you the freedom.

bunch · « **Reply #106 on:** April 19, 2005, 04:00:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
7,782,816,546,352$ In Debt which is about 26000$ per US citizen.
I'd say that's quite much but of course your mileage may vary.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/04/08/opinion/main686839.shtml

Then in the Norway...

No foreign debt at all; they are the ones who are collecting the money from you.

US g'vot assets estimated in the range of $200 trillion, assets about 30 times debt, like you own a $250,000 house & a $800 credit card bill shows up, but at the lowest possible interest rate. The US should borrow more, but the rest of the world doesnt have enough to lend.

Momus-- · « **Reply #107 on:** April 19, 2005, 04:19:31 AM »

The USA saved Norway's tulips in WW2 and in the cold war. For this alone you should be ever beholden to the USA and should ape their socio-economic system at every turn to show your appreciation. Using your oil revenues for the common good instead of enriching a select few makes you little better than dirty marxists; you need to immediately invade a 3rd world country and steal their resources. Only then will you have proved your "capitalist" credentials and be worthy of the "freedom" bestowed upon you.

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True, but irrelevant with regard to this protection enabling Europe to create its redistributionist social welfare utopia.

No, it is totally relevant. Assuming for one second that the USA defended europe out an altruistic desire to maintain the freedom of it's constituent democracies, then it follows that nations such as Norway are at liberty to choose the course of their own domestic policy with a clear conscience. On the other hand, if as could be more realistically argued, the US defended europe to maintain it's own sphere of influence, then the point is moot.

But this begs the question; if the US system is so self-evidently superior, then why are you here evangelising?

Staga · « **Reply #108 on:** April 19, 2005, 04:59:52 AM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
The USA saved Norway's tulips in WW2 and in the cold war.

Heh and I thought Norway was occupied by Germans in ww2... Just shows how one can learn something new every day

Momus-- · « **Reply #109 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:18:17 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Heh and I thought Norway was occupied by Germans in ww2...

That's right, and the germans were ejected from Norway by an elite US force consisting of flag waving petty-nationalist intardnet bbs warriors led by Chuck Norris, so NEVAR FORGET, ok?

Nilsen · « **Reply #110 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:24:13 AM »

lol Momus

nice try

Nilsen · « **Reply #111 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:36:57 AM »

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Originally posted by sling322
Great....then why dont you guys go take care of all the problems in Africa that we supposedly dont care enough about that people always bring up as a retort when anybody mentions that Saddam had to be removed from power.

Actually we do contribute alot to africa. The norwegian goverment just decided to give another 1,6 billion NOK to Sudan.

Nilsen · « **Reply #112 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:48:30 AM »

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Originally posted by slimm50
So, is there an upper class, or upper middle class in Norway, or is everyone pretty much relegated to the same economic level, with no hope of achieving wealth through honest, hard work, like here in America?

Whew...long sentence.

There is no classes or segregation, but if you make little money you have less than if you make alot. Logical isnt it?

Nilsen · « **Reply #113 on:** April 19, 2005, 05:51:24 AM »

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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Yes, we understand well that you have been heavily indoctrinated by your government. They control your physical life by drafting you and then they control your economic life by drafting your wages. Someday hopefully we can bring you the freedom.

lol funked

Don't have time for this, I have to finish Pravda before my work at the collective.

Staga · « **Reply #114 on:** April 19, 2005, 07:06:23 AM »

Fact is that when EU gains more power someone has to lose some and that someone is NATO.

Hurrah for EU Army!

lazs2 · « **Reply #115 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:28:54 AM »

you guys crack me up.... withiout the government you will sit on the street and starve? flapping your arms like pitiful little flightless birds... a single tear going down your lilly white cheek every once in a while

Do they hold the spoon for you while you eat?

what is your unemployment rate?... defense spending?

And... can any of you euros tell me how many Americans starved to death before our fairly recent welfare system kicked in? We won't count hunger strikers and those who were mentaly unstable tho..

If even one person is making less than another then... by your defenistion... isn't the one achiever being "greedy"?

If socialism is a good thing then wouldn't communism be even better?

and... why do you discriminate so much against colored people?

lazs

-spawn · « **Reply #116 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:30:30 AM »

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And if someone wants to question the capabilities of a conscript army, ask the Israelis.

Not the same situation. Israel is constantly under threat and has a highly motivated citizenry.

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As a result Europe can muster a huge well-trained army, but only has to pay for a fraction of the cost of a similar sized professional army.

Theoretically.

Practically... they can muster a so-so trained, part-time army, using not-quite-up-to-date equipment. Oh, and they can't deploy very far or very fast without US assistance.

I believe tankers call these people "crunchies."

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Europe combined has more than 4,000 combat aircraft, and if they were integrated into a “Euro air force” it would be the largest air force in the world.

Thankfully there's some quality here too. Still, since you mentioned the Israelis, you'll note that quality generally beats quantity by a wide margin in this area.

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Anyway, the point (proven IMO) is that the European nations have habitually underinvested in their militaries (and that some contend this the US has helped to underwrite their socialist economies as a result).

In any event, GScholz, I appreciate your engagement... unlike folks like momus who talk about "cut & paste etc etc etc" but then fail to post anything other than low-value sarcastic responses.

Nilsen · « **Reply #117 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:38:39 AM »

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Originally posted by -spawn

Anyway, the point (proven IMO) is that the European nations have habitually underinvested in their militaries (and that some contend this the US has helped to underwrite their socialist economies as a result).

If Europe has chosen to spend money on things that matter and not an aggressive military then that is a smart choise. Other nations spends incredible amounts of money but still fail to control "inferior" countries.

lazs2 · « **Reply #118 on:** April 19, 2005, 08:49:59 AM »

nielsen... what do you do for a living?

lazs

Toad · « **Reply #119 on:** April 19, 2005, 09:30:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
If Europe has chosen to spend money on things that matter and not an aggressive military then that is a smart choise.

Yeah, it proved to be absolutely brilliant in the late '30's, didn't it?

It's OK, we've got you covered.