What is corner velocity for P47D11?

[YUCCA]

WEll let me rephrase that shane it was more like  before i went to da with him he said something about shane only belittling him and not giving help.  Im assuming he was talkin about the MA shane.  Anyone who goes to the DA with you knows that you are more than a big help.  Oh thats cobra i was talkin about.

[SunTracker]

Yucca, I really expected a better answer from you, especially since you are part of the 56th Figher Squad.  Didnt they fly P-47s in real life?  We should duel sometime.

[Cobra412]

Actually Yucca to get it straight yes I said that Shane did belittle people which is well known in the MA. To sit here and say he doesn't do it is a pure lie. I also stated that instead of giving that person pointers when they would screw up he would  belittle them front of everyone in the arena on open channel. I also stated that no matter how good he is I wouldn't go to him for help based on seeing him do that constantly in the MA.

Yes you did come off like an arse when you replied to SunTrackers question. Instead of just answering the question or telling him how he could get it you started probing him for answers of why he wanted to know. As you would say does it matter? I mean it's obvious you weren't going to help because according to you right from the start knowing an aircrafts corner velocity doesn't matter. I mean is it really that hard to say though it's not something that you'll use all that often it can be used in this type of situation? Or is a better training method to poke and prod the trainee when they have a question and then laugh at them when they reply?

So tell me out of your 3 initial posts when exactly were you going to give him any useful information about cornering velocity? I mean was it before or after you laughed at him?

I also know that you helped me once in the DA and I'm greatful. If I had asked a similiar question like that would you have poked and prodded me and then laughed at me too? No one wants to have a trainer who treats them like that. When you start treating them like their ignorant they'll get discouraged and then tune you out. Correcting them is one thing but laughing in their face isn't the answer. It's the same reason why I never asked questions and learned what I could on my own. Half the vets when I first started felt it was more useful to laugh at me initially, make some smart arse remark and then just ignore me. I guess this is what the vets consider helping others.

[mechanic]

jeebus!  you guys are going mental.


why jump on one tiny innocent funny bit of flame when this watermelon and much worse happens in every single thread evar.



and i find it funny you defending Suntracker as a 'noob'.

where did noob come into this.

he registered on this board a few mere months apart from you cobra.

and yucca, stop being so damn light hearted and amusing, this is a serious place for pete's snake!!1!


and cobra, just chill out on this one, these guys are ruthless, i fear for our saftey if a flame fest starts up


and i dont think yucca was saying anyone was ignorant.






he was laughing at the fact that people ever look at those silly little dials and meters on the dash.

true AH dogfighting comes from the heart and you feel it not plan it.

its instantaneous inspiration in every fight.


judging things on graphs will help you plot one specific circumstance, or maybe help you travell the Atlantic safely....

....but keep you alive in the MA chit.... i think not.

[Shane]

maybe people who can't handle being called a castrati should try bunny luv, or perhaps hearts.

for people who think they're in some online military they'd get washed out of virtual boot camp.

[stantond]

Dueling well won't keep you alive in the MA, only situational awareness (SA) will do that.  Becoming a better pilot will enhance the game and help you get kills though.  Everyone learns differently.  Myself, I appreciate knowing performance information about various aircraft (especially the one I am in).  

However, as you point out mechanic, knowing and doing are two different things.  'Training' yourself to fly a particular plane to its strengths is often much more difficult than learning its strengths.  That, imo, is where  places like the DA help.  Well, that and gunnery.  




Regards,

Malta

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by mechanic
he was laughing at the fact that people ever look at those silly little dials and meters on the dash.

I guess I get laughed at alot then, I am constantly rechecking my speed, if I take pings I am checking my CTRL D, if I am leaking I am checking my fuel and oil. On a drag/spiral climb, I am viewing my climbrate ( VSI gauge - Vertical Speed Indicator ), when conserving fuel during returning I check my rpm and manifold...etc...

Originally posted by mechanic
true AH dogfighting comes from the heart and you feel it not plan it.

once you are in a fight, yes, maybe. I would say you plan your intial merge, you plan what your next move is gonna be, then plan on the next, unless you let the opponent get the advantage first then you fly to his fight not yours. One determines the type of fight by measuring up his plane against his opponents plane/ his E state against his opponent's E, then flys accordingly. The key thing is you may have visualized the fight and the way it shakes out 3 or 4 maneuvers ahead or before the intial merge.

Originally posted by mechanic

judging things on graphs will help you plot one specific circumstance, or maybe help you travell the Atlantic safely....
....but keep you alive in the MA chit.... i think not.

not sure about judging, but it can only benefit a person to compare graphs and speeds of different planes to see what the planes +'s & -'s are to each other. The more knowledge one can incorporate into his flying the better pilot he will become.

mechanic,   once a player has been around for awhile ( a few years maybe ) he tends to overlook the little things and does not realize that he is checking this gauge or that gauge, does not realize he is lowering this flap or raising it, it becomes 2nd nature. he/she has flown the sim for so long things happen during a flight  like scanning your gauges briefly while switching from back/up to forward/up view or from left to right view. as for feeling, can one really feel it? I know you can feel the input one has on the stick as in pressure,  maybe visualy feel it and hear it possibly..sorry for the long rant.
I saw your post as misleading with what I qouted you on, and wanted to offer a different view is all

[bozon]

wow you people are anal.

One guy asks about the corner velocity of the Jug. Yucca comes in and reply "does it matter" - to me he sounds like he was joking since no matter your speed is you are going to get outturned in the jug in terms of degrees/sec.

Very few jug drivers think in terms of turn rates, that's why the question seems funny and I read his reply as cynical.

maybe I'm reading wrong?

Bozon

[YUCCA]

Basically bozon, i said "does it matter?" becuase i was curious as to how it would help someone out to know that.  So oh wait cobra i was looking for help and it was you that belittled me.  Ok i laughed becuase suntracker was the one gloating.  Maybe you should read before you type.
And i mean that without offense suntracker i just thought it was funny is all.

[DamnedRen]

Best cornering speed?

It's simple to find for any plane for any alt.

1) Pick the alt. and set auto pilot level til she settles down
2) Turn of auto pilot and cut throttle.
3) WIth flaps up note the speed she stalls.
4) Multiply that speed by 1.66 and you will have best cornering speed.

Note: a 1-2k alt difference will normally produce a 1 or 2 mph difference but you will probably find it hard to accurately notice it.

You can do it for any plane.

Rgds,

[mechanic]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
I guess I get laughed at alot then, I am constantly rechecking my speed, if I take pings I am checking my CTRL D, if I am leaking I am checking my fuel and oil. On a drag/spiral climb, I am viewing my climbrate ( VSI gauge - Vertical Speed Indicator ), when conserving fuel during returning I check my rpm and manifold...etc...
 
once you are in a fight, yes, maybe. I would say you plan your intial merge, you plan what your next move is gonna be, then plan on the next, unless you let the opponent get the advantage first then you fly to his fight not yours. One determines the type of fight by measuring up his plane against his opponents plane/ his E state against his opponent's E, then flys accordingly. The key thing is you may have visualized the fight and the way it shakes out 3 or 4 maneuvers ahead or before the intial merge.
 
not sure about judging, but it can only benefit a person to compare graphs and speeds of different planes to see what the planes +'s & -'s are to each other. The more knowledge one can incorporate into his flying the better pilot he will become.

mechanic,   once a player has been around for awhile ( a few years maybe ) he tends to overlook the little things and does not realize that he is checking this gauge or that gauge, does not realize he is lowering this flap or raising it, it becomes 2nd nature. he/she has flown the sim for so long things happen during a flight  like scanning your gauges briefly while switching from back/up to forward/up view or from left to right view. as for feeling, can one really feel it? I know you can feel the input one has on the stick as in pressure,  maybe visualy feel it and hear it possibly..sorry for the long rant.
I saw your post as misleading with what I qouted you on, and wanted to offer a different view is all

hey all good TC sir.  i wasnt laughing at people looking at dials, please remember. i just said 'laughing at the fact that people do'.

if this makes sense.


basically when in the middle of a hard fight the last thing on my mind is what my dash says. i have learned to fly AH through feel (no stall buzzer, etc) and thats how i perform best.


when RTB or whatever, or maybe if i have oil damage, you're damn right im checking and tweaking everything i can to make it home.

lets also remember the original poster is not a noob.

lets also remember yucca was just making a funny.



i think the initial 'lol' by yucca was of 'ooops, thats how i'm meant to fly, but be damned if i can check speed etc when pulling a stall turn rope shot super P47D11 kill move' type of 'lol'.


ya get me?


S! all.

[TequilaChaser]

Originally posted by mechanic

if this makes sense.


ya get me?


S! all.

I can relate to it all, mechanic, no worries.

it's all good

[bustr]

See now youe got Shane involved YUCCA. I told you this would happen......  

Hey you should have stayed up last night. You missed the spit5 and G10 that tried loopdy loops against my D40 at 20k+......and then the D9 that wanted to stall fight while I was landing when I had a 1/4 tank left on the deck....... Now let me see....corner speed...corner speed.....don't know...I just dropped another notch of flaps, hit WEP, went vertical, came around on his tail and cut his wing off....corner speed......was that the speed he cornered into the gound????   Hey I thought you and Nomde were gonna teach me how to read those gauge thingies one of these days...have I been missing something?

[YUCCA]

c)

[Furball]

some people look tooooo far into this game...

its easy.  all you have to do is kill dweebs.  That is all that matters.  you go into a fight thinking "i am going to kill this dweeb" and you will!

Blah corner velocity blah blah blah...