What is corner velocity for P47D11?

[DamnedRen]

Maintain level flight (hands on stick). Flaps must be up and you gotta note the stall speed when she falls.

Its almost the same for the correct landing speed. The difference is you have flaps down and note the stall speed. Then you multiply that by 1.3. Not that it matters much in the game because most folks just drag it on at just about any slow speed. The 1.3 multiplyer means if you maintain that speed you will not stall on approach.

Even though planes stall at different speeds the equation is correct and makes it easy for anyone to figure the best cornering or landing speeds.

Hope this helps.

[Shane]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
a person studys the Energy Management charts and compares them, to gain knowledge of what and what not to do when they do encounter a fight in the arena. TC

Just wanted to chime in here....  while I find Badz' e-charts and watermelon pretty, I can't understand them for the life of me.

This is not to say others can't benefit from them in some way that I cannot comprehend.

as for "what  and not to do" - well, no one really dies, so by trying things that you "shouldn't" you still gain from the experience if only to find the absolute edge of either (or both) your own skills or the planes' performance.

[snak]

africkan or european?

[Simaril]

Originally posted by snak
africkan or european?

"Ummmm.... I don't know"

AAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[dtango]

I'm a little surprised at the level of disdain for stuff like corner velocity and the like.  Instead I hear a bunch of stuff like it's all instinct & gut etc.  So why do they teach this stuff to real fighter pilots now?  Hmmm.



You would think there is some value .  OK, admittedly I'm being a bit rhetorical about this .  Getting max performance by "instinct" out of your aircraft probably means at some point you're probably using corner velocity to your advantage and just don't realize it.

The bottom line is stuff like corner velocity, EM charts, and the like takes aerial combat from art and codifies it so that you can analyze and break it down to develop your tactics and decision making into concrete elements vs. something mysterious and unexplainable.  In short it gives you concrete data to help you figure out how to improve your air-to-air skills vs. learning by chance.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs

[SunTracker]

I suggest reading "Art of the Kill" to understand why corner velocity is important.  It was written by an F-16 instructor, but half the book is still relevant to ww2 tactics.  The book used to come free with Falcon 3.0.

[DamnedRen]

I guess there's a few differing schools of thought.

1) get in a fight turn and point your nose and shoot the other guy down or die trying.

2) play the game like an arcade game.  As you do it over and over you learn what works and what doesn't. You may not know why but hey, its a game.

3) use the virtual physics of the game to establish and fly within the given flight envelope of the planes and use these differences to advantage. In doing so use all available gouges to fly to your planes best advantage against the other guys planes weaknesses. The cornering speed formula is just another gouge.

4) Get completely anal and think the realism is completely real. It's not. It;s a game.

5) Drive a tank. They're alot of fun

Look around and you'll see each of these groups flying.

[Don]

Whoa! Here I am reading along and followin g the thread and line of thinking, and then...whammo!! I read a post that rips anyone who responded by asking a question of the original poster...whats up wit dat??
Yucca asks why he wants to know...the other guy sez in so many words 'because I'm awesome in the 47D11 and I get my perk points from it...'  
The rest of the responses were reasonable and started a really good discussion, which could probably help anyone interested who flies the Jug. So, I'm wondering why the hostility from Cobra??
So, the thread has in a sense been hi-jacked, and useful discussion has stopped.
Pffft!!

[Traveler]

Very interesting reading.   Looking in from the outside I'd suggest that many of you shut down that computer, take a walk or a drive to places where real people exist and develop some People Skills.

Just a thought.

[Cobra412]

Don the useful discussion never started until 10 posts in where Tango actually spoke up and posted references.  Then Pellik and crew piped up saying virtually the same thing as Yucca, "does it matter". Even after that nothing else useful came out until again Tango and TC started posting. Everything prior to that was either a smartarse comment or the "experts" telling us what they think matters and nothing to do with the original subject.

You mean to tell me our vets don't have any clue as to how cornering velocity can help someone? Either their ignorant or their trolling. Some people come here looking for answers and instead they only get a bunch of smartarse know it all comments from the "vets". Because it's obvious they are on top of the food chain and know all there is to know about the subject.

Seems a little suspicious that two of the best players in the game would need to ask such questions. Last time I checked the question orginally posted by SunTracker was not "does it matter if I know the cornering velocity" but was actually "What is the cornering velocity".

[RightF00T]

I dont see the big deal Cobra, he asked about one aspect of the game but others piped in  ideas and approaches the original poster might not have thought about.  I think you're just using this discussion to somehow prove your point.  The fact is though, there is nothing here that merits your attack.  IMO.

[Furball]

Originally posted by TequilaChaser
was meant as a rib  Furball

I was quite drunk at the time, sorry, didnt spot it!

a rib could have jumped up and smacked me in the face and i still wouldnt have spotted it...

[DamnedRen]

Originally posted by Cobra412
Don the useful discussion never started until 10 posts in where Tango actually spoke up and posted references.  Then Pellik and crew piped up saying virtually the same thing as Yucca, "does it matter". Even after that nothing else useful came out until again Tango and TC started posting. Everything prior to that was either a smartarse comment or the "experts" telling us what they think matters and nothing to do with the original subject.

Last time I checked the question orginally posted by SunTracker was not "does it matter if I know the cornering velocity" but was actually "What is the cornering velocity".

I thought I answered and gave him the gouge. Twice. Did you miss it?

[Cobra412]

Your right RightFoot. I'am proving a point that whether it's a person who's been here for a little while or someone who's absolutley new. Typically all they get is some smart arse comment from the peanut gallery when they are trying to learn something new.

If they had the answer and wanted to post it then they should have done so. Not once did many of our "vets" discuss or even try to discuss how cornering velocity matters and how it could be implemented. Instead it was does it really matter, it's a stall fighter so who cares, or a little faster than an african swallow. You have to read through all their BS just to get to the answer that was originally asked.

No Ren you actually did give an answer unlike the majority of the other vets here.

[dtango]

To be fair Cobra, Fatal1 (SunTracker) kind of became a lightning rod with his other BBS post so whether wrong or right I can understand some of the responses folks gave because of his other posts.  We just had some extra baggage around the poster vs. the post itself that clouded things in this thread.

That being said I personally like the principle that - "if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all".  We have enough posters on the BBS that "being right" is more important than being helpful which is a shame.

Hopefully folks can see the positive and negative in this thread and learn from the positive responses.

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs