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« on: April 19, 2005, 01:19:20 PM »
BAGHDAD, Iraq, April 14 - Investigators have discovered several mass graves in southern Iraq that are believed to contain the bodies of people killed by Saddam Hussein's government, including one estimated to hold 5,000 bodies, Iraqi officials say.

The graves, discovered over the past three months, have not yet been dug up because of the risks posed by the continuing insurgency and the lack of qualified forensic workers, said Bakhtiar Amin, Iraq's interim human rights minister. But initial excavations have substantiated the accounts of witnesses to a number of massacres. If the estimated body counts prove correct, the new graves would be among the largest in the grim tally of mass killings that have gradually come to light since the fall of Mr. Hussein's government two years ago. At least 290 grave sites containing the remains of some 300,000 people have been found since the American invasion two years ago, Iraqi officials say.
 
Forensic evidence from some graves will feature prominently in the trials of Mr. Hussein and the leaders of his government. The trials are to start this spring.

One of the graves, near Basra, in the south, appears to contain about 5,000 bodies of Iraqi soldiers who joined a failed uprising against Mr. Hussein's government after the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Another, near Samawa, is believed to contain the bodies of 2,000 members of the Kurdish clad led by Massoud Barzani.

As many as 8,000 men and boys from the clan disappeared in 1983 after being rounded up in northern Iraq by security forces at the command of Ali Hassan al-Majid, widely known as Chemical Ali. It remains unclear, however, how the victims ended up in the south.

Investigators have also discovered the remains of 58 Kuwaitis spread across several sites, including what appears to be a family of two adults and five children who were crushed by a tank, Mr. Amin said. At least 605 Kuwaitis disappeared at the time of the first gulf war, and before the latest graves were discovered, fewer than 200 had been accounted for, he added.

A smaller site was discovered near Nasiriya earlier this week. Arabic satellite television showed images of residents digging up remains there.

Mr. Amin declined to give the exact locations of the graves, saying it could endanger witnesses to the massacres and anyone working at the sites.

One obstacle to exhuming bodies has been an absence of DNA labs and forensic anthropologists in Iraq, Mr. Amin said.

In the aftermath of Mr. Hussein's fall, thousands of Iraqis overran mass grave sites, digging for their relatives' remains with backhoes, shovels, even their bare hands. A number of sites were looted, making identification of victims difficult, said Hanny Megally, Middle East director for the International Center for Transitional Justice.

The American occupation authority, after some initial hesitation, began classifying grave sites, and international teams began traveling to the sites in 2003 to conduct assessments or exhumations. But toward the end of 2004, rising violence led nearly all the teams to abandon their work.

Only one site has been fully examined, a grave of Kurdish victims in northern Iraq, Mr. Megally said. That work was overseen by the Regime Crimes Liaison Office, which is gathering evidence for the trials of Mr. Hussein and his deputies.

The interim Iraqi government, working with the United Nations, has drawn up plans for a National Center for Missing and Disappeared Persons that would have authority over all aspects of the process, from exhumations to providing assistance to victims' families.

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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2005, 01:49:34 PM »
thats all lies..Boosch Planted them

























frikn disgusting..i hope soodom and his homeboys have a slow painful death

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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2005, 02:26:08 PM »
not possible... if it were true then they would have been discovered before now.   No way could you hide acres of bodies.   or quantities of anything that large for so long.

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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2005, 03:20:05 PM »
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not possible... if it were true then they would have been discovered before now.   No way could you hide acres of bodies.   or quantities of anything that large for so long.

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yes , it is impossible to hide WMD in the desert. the war was illegal, boosh be evil, no food for oil.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 03:25:51 PM »
Think I saw somewhere that the number of people unearthed in these mass graves reached 300,000. Could have just used that as a reason didn't need the whole WMD thing.

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2005, 03:36:57 PM »
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Think I saw somewhere that the number of people unearthed in these mass graves reached 300,000. Could have just used that as a reason didn't need the whole WMD thing.


WMD and the slaughter of Saddams own people were just 2 of the reasons used.
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2005, 03:46:54 PM »
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Think I saw somewhere that the number of people unearthed in these mass graves reached 300,000. Could have just used that as a reason didn't need the whole WMD thing.
it was "used as a reason" even some of the atrocities were stated by booosh before we attacked.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2005, 04:18:21 PM »
No, what I am saying is that if the info on the WMD was iffy then it shouldn't have been used, especially as the MAIN justification of the war. Human Rights Violations should have taken precedent and it would have been enough if the administration used it properly. Using Curveball as our only source of evidence for WMD was plain stupid. Yeah bush mentioned the other stuff but it was not the "Main" reason we went in. Bush "scared" us into believing it was do something or risk another terrorist attack using WMD. The "atrocities" were just a backup excuse. But then that would get us into helping all countries in which they take place and we know this president doesn't believe in that.

All I am saying is he could have made a case without the WMD or at least say something like we have information that he might posess them, not they have roving chemical labs and he can produce a nuke in 1 year or that he has tons or Chemical weapons laying around and let that stuff be the secondary reason.

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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2005, 04:40:15 PM »
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Despite what some of you think the USA is not the world police.


Ah... c'mon... we so desperately want to be. It makes me feel good about the taxes I'm paying. I'd much rather pay to liberate the third world then clean up problems right here at home. ;)
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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2005, 04:43:34 PM »
oops forgot where I was
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2005, 04:47:53 PM »
Saddam didn't kill insurgents. He killed freedom fighters. ;)
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2005, 05:43:27 PM »
Glad we went, sad about the deaths of our brave men and women, it was / is the right thing to do.  Oh, and anyone that believes that Sadaam's regime did not pose a threat to the US is just kidding themselves.
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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2005, 06:15:02 PM »
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Ah... c'mon... we so desperately want to be. It makes me feel good about the taxes I'm paying. I'd much rather pay to liberate the third world then clean up problems right here at home. ;)


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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2005, 06:17:29 PM »
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 Oh, and anyone that believes that Sadaam's regime did not pose a threat to the US is just kidding themselves.


Can you find one peice of intel that proves that? Nothing I have seen shows any work done by saddam to attack or cause harm to america outside of iraq.

Seems to me he was scared of us and we turned it into the other way around.

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« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2005, 06:25:36 PM »
the MAIN reason bush resumed the 91 war was that saddam did not comply with the cease fire terms of 1991.

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