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Offline bigsky

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« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2005, 09:26:40 PM »
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Why did you post that crap and can I have my 15 seconds back?

unlike you i posted it for those who may know the meaning of the word usurious AND MAY find it slightly interesting.
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« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2005, 09:28:06 PM »
Well, Raider, you are just flat out wrong.  I suggest you actualy go to church and maybe volunteer for some of that charitable work they do.

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« Reply #17 on: April 20, 2005, 11:06:35 PM »
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I'm sure that explains the reason why the RESULTS are transparent and invisible too.


I'd stack the track record of the churches up against that of the feds any day when it comes to providing for the truly needy.

$100 given to the food program at my church means $100 of groceries get purchased for a needy family. I observe the results every week.

$100 given to the feds to fund a social program means $30 gets to person in need and there's no adequate accounting for whether it goes to food, booze, or lotto tickets.

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« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2005, 12:01:17 AM »
wow I can pull a thousand verses from the bible and make them sound like something they are not.  It dosent mean that is the basis for christianity.

This guy is one of many that just don't get it and use this to slam the Bush administration (admiticaly BY ME there are many other prevelent things to slam him for)

to invoke God's word in this situation to me seems a bit petty.

it also says in the bible:

"the rich rules over the poor and the borrower is servant to the lender"  Proverbs 22:7

Now I can text this to say the bible is telling me to borrow as little as possible for my freedom or that the bible is entitling me to own slaves depending on how I write it.

Either way christianity is not about debt.  I wont even use the term "true christians"  I will just say that it IS about forgivness being devine....turning the other cheek....knowing your own faults befor god.....and realizing that the only man without sin lived and died so we can be forgiven for ours.....the ultimate "jump on the grenade" for me.

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« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2005, 12:42:34 AM »
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I'm sure that explains the reason why the RESULTS are transparent and invisible too.


You should try getting deeply involved in a GOOD church. You'd be STUNNED to know what charity goes on in a couple of local churches I have been a member of. Nevermind what some of the members do without even the church knowing it. I know of a young (about 25) widow who was 6 months behind on her mortgage and looking for a place to move her 4 kids. A member of the church quietly went and paid her mortgage up (total, including legal fees about $10K). He'd be very angry with me if he knew I told anyone, but I figure his secret is safe here. That doesn't count what he gives to the church in the collection plate that they spend on any number of good works for the community.
The local churches of Christ have the finest nursing home in the area. It's non profit, and I do mean NON profit. The youth program visits the elderly, the shut ins, and the nursing homes, especially the veterans. Got a family member in the hospital? Had a death in the family? Don't plan to cook or buy groceries for a month, there'll be a meal served to your door 2-3 times a day every day. Don't worry about mowing your lawn, or anything else either.

Naw, Hell naw, the churches don't do a damned thing. You keep right on believing that.
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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2005, 12:46:01 AM »
I just LOVE these people quoting from the Bible and getting all religious now. Ain't it just cool as Hell? The radical liberal left got their tulips handed to them in recent elections, and now they go quoting the Bible about everything.:rolleyes:

Three quotes from the Bible, taken out of context just like that drival that started this thread:

Whatever thou do, doest thou quickly.

Judas went and hanged himself.

Go now and do likewise.
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2005, 12:49:28 AM »
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The best charity is transparent. if you feel you have to TELL someone or be SEEN doing it, you're doing it for the WRONG reasons. The church does not have to be SEEN doing charity and community service. that's not the point. If you don't understand that, then there isn't much anyone can do for you.


Ah, but what if by being seen to do charitable work, one sets an example & inspire others to do likewise?

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« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2005, 01:40:02 AM »
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Ah, but what if by being seen to do charitable work, one sets an example & inspire others to do likewise?


Go into a good church every Sunday morning for about a month. You'll quickly find out what is going on, and see all of the examples you need to see.

I can tell you from experience that it is NOT the people who are doing the real visible and publicized charitable works that are the example to follow.

I've known both kinds.

It is the guy who goes about it quietly, noticed only by those who are LOOKING for an example and those whose life he touches (especially those he does NOT do charitable works for, but with whom he associates and interacts regularly) who is getting it done. He's the guy who remains in the background, practically anonymous. He neither wants nor needs attention or accolades. He will seek out those in need, and help them, even without them knowing it. Because of how he approaches it, he never offends nor embarasses anyone, he finds those really in need because those who are not in need do not know him and therefore do not seek him. He has trusted friends and associates he uses as sources to find those in need. He is the man who would deny being such a benefactor. THAT is the man you should seek as an example. I know a few such men, one in particular comes to mind as being among the greatest I have ever seen. He and his wife treated me as they did their own sons. He calls me friend. I am not worthy. He serves his God, his family, and his community, because he and his God know that it is the right thing to do. He has been both a deacon and an elder in the Church of Christ, he and his wife were both youth ministers, and ran the youth program.

I have a friend who was every bit as wild as I was when we were in our teens and twenties. He is now a youth minister at the church we grew up in. If you were ever his friend, he will know if you have a problem, and he will come to you, you will not need to call or seek him out. Because he is always, QUIETLY looking out for his friends, his family, and his children of his youth program. You will see him, and he will take the time to ask about you, your family, and your mutual friends. Then you will see one of those mutual friends and you will both say the same thing: "Hey, you know I saw Ralph a few days ago, he was asking about you and your family". But, like the others, unless you are looking, you will not see the good things he is doing. But if you are truly seeking an example, or direction, he will quietly lead by example, you need only to watch. He will not tell you or anyone else of the good works he does, you will know because you see him, you help him, or someone you know sees him and tells you.

While it is nice if everyone sees some of the work the churches do, only those who are truly seeking an example or direction who will really see it anyway, and they will see it whether it is done in some grand public manner or not.

What is sad is that each generation has been taught to expect the government to do more and more. Each generation seems to grow further from God, from the churches, and from the good things they do for the community. The power of the church becomes more limited as the generations grow further away and attend church less. The government takes more and more as taxes, and so each generation gives less to the church, and expects the government to do more and more since they take the money. But the government can never serve the community in the ways the churches could.
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« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2005, 01:40:04 AM »
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Ah, but what if by being seen to do charitable work, one sets an example & inspire others to do likewise?


that's not the point of charity.  You don't do it to encourage others (although it is nice) the point is to help those that need it.  I'm one of those types that likes to be annonymos (SP) with my charity.  I dont want recognition....I don't want a thank you....I don't want to do it to "set an example".  I just want to do it to help those that need help.


Capt v I couldnt agree with you more.  My parents moved to the south to be with my grandma because she is in poor health.  They sold their house quit their jobs but worse they had to leave their church.  Moving day came and they had litereally 30 voluteers to help them load up the truck.

when they got settled in Georgia they finally found a church they liked that reminded them of their former home.  After sunday services the pastor stopped by the house to visit.....and three people dropped off pies to welcome them.

The church nore christianity isn't about the building....the politics....the republicans....the movement....the radicals....the bible thumpers....the evangalists...none of that.  The church is the people...not the building they occupy or the party they endorse.

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« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2005, 02:12:47 AM »
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I just LOVE these people quoting from the Bible and getting all religious now. Ain't it just cool as Hell? The radical liberal left got their tulips handed to them in recent elections, and now they go quoting the Bible about everything.:rolleyes:

Three quotes from the Bible, taken out of context just like that drival that started this thread:

Whatever thou do, doest thou quickly.

Judas went and hanged himself.

Go now and do likewise.


lol I love it when people that say how good church is and then tell you to go hang yourself. that is really funny.

Oh and by the way if your charity is transparent guess what that means? You arent doing a good job.

Been to plenty of church and have seen it abused and a place to socialize more than I have ever seen it used to actually promote the publice good.

I also enjoy those who only use bible quotes to prove their side then when it comes back to bite them they quickly say its taken out of context.

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« Reply #25 on: April 21, 2005, 07:48:35 AM »
"I hardly ever see any churches doing "community" work except on holidays. Guess some is better than none though."

Sadly occasionaly true.

Though I think that maybe here in the UK and I suspect in the USA too the Churches are more active in the community than we might think.

I currently work as a youth worker for the local authority but I have worked for the church too. I am not a practising christian, neither were some of my colleagues, despite this the church employed me because they were more concerned about the practical outcome and the idea of realy doing something to materialy benefit the people in their community than getting "bums on pews" as they put it.

Basicaly I have respect for any religion that encourages people to get out there get their hands dirty and do practical work to try and help those less fortunate than themselves whatever those peoples faith or religion may be. Its worth pointing out that in Muslim societys the Mosque fullfills a similar role in benefiting the community.

I have little respect for religion when it simply preaches dogma and is only interested in increasing the number of followers and persecuting those who are not followers. Acting as a cosy club for the faithfull and an income generator for its membership and leadership only. Offering a helping hand only to those who believe its particular brand of religion!
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« Reply #26 on: April 21, 2005, 08:08:41 AM »
In the more rural areas... like where my folks live above sonora..  the churches do the only real good.  I was their last weekend and there was this big "free sunday breakfast" at the park.  there are about 3 times a week that the churches give out free meals and one day a month that they give out free groceries.  at the meals the people take home what is not eaten on the spot.. there is also a shelter where the churces get together and sponsor.. they give people shelter and a shower and clothes and help them look for work.. they also have vouchers for gas at a local station.

the government gives these same people money to buy drugs with.

any of you who do not realize how much charitable work churches do have your head up your butt.

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« Reply #27 on: April 21, 2005, 08:28:35 AM »
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By SEAN GONSALVES
In light of the Bush bankruptcy bill

Sounds like a disgruntled liberal sore loser to me.:rolleyes:

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« Reply #28 on: April 21, 2005, 08:46:58 AM »
Me thinks bigsky lost sight of the "seperation of church and state" concept.

Virgil - telling someone to go hang himself is not a very Christian thing to to, I guess you are one of those hypocrites I have heard about.  Its a shame you cannot find from your church and your beliefs the inner peace, wisdom and grace necessary for understanding and forgiveness.

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« Reply #29 on: April 21, 2005, 09:31:05 AM »
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any of you who do not realize how much charitable work churches do have your head up your butt.