Author Topic: Tapping a clip on your helmet (Read 2881 times)

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:20:47 PM »

Your helmet is nice and hollow, makes a loud noise.

Raider179 · « **Reply #46 on:** April 21, 2005, 05:44:31 PM »

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Originally posted by VOR
Any hard surface will do just fine. I odon't understand why it has to be the heel of one's boot..that's usually where most of the dirt or mud is, anyway.

just a guess but I would say so that in case of a round going off you don't shoot yourself or your buddy in the head?

Have no idea if a round could go off like that but seems most likely reason to me. lol

VOR · « **Reply #47 on:** April 21, 2005, 06:19:59 PM »

I've never seen it happen, but not saying it never has.

As for the noise, once it's time to place what's most likely the second magazine in your weapon..noise is irrelevant.

I guess there's a reason, but I can't think of it.

Pongo · « **Reply #48 on:** April 21, 2005, 06:38:59 PM »

Ya the clip is the thing that rounds come in to use with your charger to load your magazine if they are not loose rounds.

The feeding lips of the front of the magazine will tangle with the point of the round if the round is too far forward in the magazine.
Doenst seem to be a problem with semi auto battle rifles like the L1a1(C1 in Canadian Serivice when I lugged one arround) but with the weaker springs in the m16 mags the rounds seem to get shuffled arround easier and firing bursts or full auto made them more suseptable to feed jams.
If the spring in the mag was strong enought tapping the map wouldnt be able to shuffle the rounds anyway unless you really wacked yourself.
I never really had much trouble with M16s jamming, I found them very accurate. But man they are fragile for a war weapon.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #49 on:** April 21, 2005, 06:48:32 PM »

We allways tapped our mags when we had blanks. The round wasnt long enough to fill the length of the mag and they often slid forward causing your weapon to jam..(wich is not all that uncomon with blanks in an M16)

Usually during exercises we dug a small hole with our boot heel and ejected all of our blanks and buried them. The less blanks fired the easier it would be to clean your weapon when you got back.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #50 on:** April 21, 2005, 06:57:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Pongo
but with the weaker springs in the m16 mags the rounds seem to get shuffled arround easier and firing bursts or full auto made them more suseptable to feed jams.
If the spring in the mag was strong enought tapping the map wouldnt be able to shuffle the rounds anyway unless you really wacked yourself.
I never really had much trouble with M16s jamming, I found them very accurate. But man they are fragile for a war weapon.

If you have pretty new M16 mags and they are in good shape it will fire reliably. Overall it's a great weapon IMO(well the A3 and later at least). But you're right those mag springs don't hold up worth watermelon and when they get weak they cause all kinds of feeding problems.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #51 on:** April 21, 2005, 07:28:22 PM »

The M249 SAW actually has a magazine well to take M-16 Mags if needed. It was allways highly discouraged though unless your mags were brand new.

Other than that it didn't work to well.

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #52 on:** April 21, 2005, 09:06:58 PM »

Clip:

Magazine:

lazs2 · « **Reply #53 on:** April 22, 2005, 08:37:36 AM »

fxi... that was fast but... not even as fast as some revolver guys do with full moon clips and.... they don't have some huge dorky magazine funnel on the bottom of their gun or a magazine sticking out at a 45 dgree angle from their belt... if they wore their shirt over it they would look like an overexcited teenager at a lingere judging contest.

Full moon clips hold 5-8 revolver rounds and you just drop em in the cylinder.

lazs

DoctorYO · « **Reply #54 on:** April 22, 2005, 11:00:28 AM »

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The M249 SAW actually has a magazine well to take M-16 Mags if needed. It was allways highly discouraged though unless your mags were brand new.

actually your saw has a fire adjustment on the front (rate of fire)

http://www.armystudyguide.com/m249/studyguide.htm

If its cranked up (when belt fed-box it should be unless your armorer is slack) yes the clip feed doesn't feed the rounds fast enough into the chamber and you will get a misfire then have to clear the jam and re charge it.., a brand new clip may solve this but just crank the rof down.. problem solved..

Also I see alot of people wondering why you tap the clip.. one is dirt and grime.. the same holes in your web gear that keep all that nice rain water out of your magazine holders also lets dirt and grime into your web gear to foul up your magazines.. the other reason is to enshure that the ball ammo in your clip is uniform and aligned. (sometimes the ammo is not flush against the back of the clip.. the firing pin misses or barely contacts resulting in a misfire) (as gunslinger said especially if your firing blanks since they are short) (him being at the mojave (op4 jackal) has experience with this.)

This keeps the m16 happy and when i have done these things i have had no jams..(imo clip maintenence is more important than bolt cleaning, ive had bolts straight black with grime and still fire, but one bad mag{either worn spring, or dirt} and the weapon misfires every damn time..) (granted some of the military weapons are POS with 10,000+ rounds and little armorer oversight and those weapons have many problems compared to something right out of the box.. so all your clip techniques wouldn't matter anyway.. and yes i had to trade one of those pos's ( i think it was a old a1) in korea out becuase it was so fubar...

m16 is great weapon does what its supposed to do {be light, interchangeable,more ammo per weight, durable,women handling it etc} but it does have some nuances.. (im a fan of the AK47 fire and forget, maintenance, what maintenance)

the clip maintenence being one of them..

DoctorYo

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #55 on:** April 22, 2005, 11:07:32 AM »

"(sometimes the ammo is not flush against the back of the clip.. the firing pin misses or barely contacts resulting in a misfire)"

The rest of your write up is accurate, this is not. The potential problem occurs when the round is being chambered and misfeeds. By time the round is fed into the chamber it has long cleared the magazine and is seated in the breach. Therefore, at this point, the magazine has nothing to do with how close the firing pin is to the round.

DoctorYO · « **Reply #56 on:** April 22, 2005, 11:36:38 AM »

actually im right i just didn't explain in the detail you just did.. (your right also just explaing another scenario)

try this again..

bullet in clip not flush against the back of the clip, when chambering the round it does not seat properly (thats why the little circular button to the right you start mashing on rectify a misfire..it pushes the round forward to seat in the chamber to enshure that first round is rightly seated)(after that first round goes then the gas operation will seat the next round where it needs to be unless your weapon has some grime issues or is a pos)

but if the round is not seated in the chamber correctly it doesn't get tapped by the firing pin correctly and you get a misfire.. (a loud click;the pin attempted but either missed due to angle of primer or out of reach)
(what your talking about there is no click becuase the round is holding the bolt or obstructing it.. (the pin wont get a chance to fire becuase the bolt is not where it should be)
does that correct your interpretation of my first ambiguous statement..

you could also have a complete feed failure (bullet sticking out of the chamber/magazine ) this is what i think your where describing (hence clearing the magazine) but im talking when the round is in chamber just not seated correctly which is very possible..

the pin doesn't hit the round right and you get a failure.. (also happens from worn firing pins)

hope this clears it up...

DoctorYo

Nilsen · « **Reply #57 on:** April 22, 2005, 12:25:30 PM »

i win!

lazs2 · « **Reply #58 on:** April 22, 2005, 02:37:57 PM »

no yo... that doesn't clear it up. the firing pin and magazine have no relationship. if the round is not seated (the bolt not fully closed) then there will be no firing pin strike, light or otherwise.. the firing pin will simply not function at all. The danger is, as was stated, that the rounds will not feed correctly and you will get a jamb. there is probly some relationship between the extractor, the bolt, or both but not the firing pin... the firing pin only functions after the round is seated and the bolt is fully closed.

weapons that fire from an open bolt and have a fixed firing pin or striker are somewhat different.

lazs

Seagoon · « **Reply #59 on:** April 22, 2005, 03:22:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Gunslinger
We allways tapped our mags when we had blanks. The round wasnt long enough to fill the length of the mag and they often slid forward causing your weapon to jam..(wich is not all that uncomon with blanks in an M16)

Usually during exercises we dug a small hole with our boot heel and ejected all of our blanks and buried them. The less blanks fired the easier it would be to clean your weapon when you got back.

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