Tapping a clip on your helmet

[Seagoon]

On a more serious note, anyone have a fix for constant misfeeds on the Lee Enfield Mk.4? I have one that constantly misfeeds and fails to eject with both 10 and 5 round magazines.  Do I need to go get a new bolt?

- SEAGOON

[Tumor]

Originally posted by Gunslinger

Usually during exercises we dug a small hole with our boot heel and ejected all of our blanks and buried them.  The less blanks fired the easier it would be to clean your weapon when you got back.

Hey at least you had the option!!  Ever see a recapture exercise at one of our missile facilities?  Oh, it's a real hoot, farmer's used to get a giggle out of it I'm sure.  A bunch of grown men running around screaming things like "RATATATAT" and "BANG BANG YOUR DEAD".

[Hawklore]

Originally posted by john9001
the M1 used a 8 round "enblock" clip , the whole clip was inserted into the rifle magazine and ejected when enpty.

most rifles use a 5 round "stripper clip", the clip is used to insert the rounds in the magazine either with the magazine on the rifle or off and it is then discarded.

I hope your informing the people who don't know and telling me..

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Seagoon
On a more serious note, anyone have a fix for constant misfeeds on the Lee Enfield Mk.4? I have one that constantly misfeeds and fails to eject with both 10 and 5 round magazines.  Do I need to go get a new bolt?

- SEAGOON

Do you work the bolt "smartly"?  That is, you should open it quickly, and close it quickly.  No babying it!  Ejection is solely dependant upon the amount of force you apply as you open the bolt on that rifle, unlike a Remington with a spring ejector.  Feeding is the same way.  The brits were able to fire very quickly with their SMLEs, and if you ever see footage of a tommy firing one, you will see what I mean.  They really wailed on that bolt handle.

[lazs2]

ah seagoon... brings a tear to my eye knowing that another ex brit comes here and first thing... buys a rifle and enjoys shooting it..

I have a smle and it functions very well even moving the bolt slowly... what is actually happening?  Is the round simply not chambering fully?   Is the front of the round not being guided into the chamber?

lazs

[Rino]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's a MAGAZINE!  Were not talking Garands and Brens.  

Karaya

     Hehe, I was just thinking of Hawklore's comment about
reenactors and was thinking how stupid it would look for
M-1 garand guys to tap the clips.  Then the lightbulb came
on and I realized he was talking about the carbines

[lazs2]

GTO... you have a Garrand right?   If you load the clips they will often have rounds that aren't seated flush with the bottom of the clip.  I allways tap (pound) on these clips to seat the rounds.   With the longer reloads the clip won't even go in the rifle if you don't...

Loaded some 168 grain noslers with the plastic tips with some IMR powder and they were pretty long.

lazs

[DoctorYO]

the firing pin and magazine have no relationship.

Show me in qoute form where i said they did..  actually they do have one just a indirect one (feed), i didn't mention that either but i want you to find where i said that or the above question in quote form..  

you write:

if the round is not seated (the bolt not fully closed) then there will be no firing pin strike, light or otherwise.. the firing pin will simply not function at all.

From my unedited post above:

but if the round is not seated in the chamber correctly it doesn't get tapped by the firing pin correctly and you get a misfire.. (a loud click;the pin attempted but either missed due to angle of primer or out of reach)
(what your talking about there is no click becuase the round is holding the bolt or obstructing it.. (the pin wont get a chance to fire becuase the bolt is not where it should be)

Before i explain it again:  what level of reading level do you have..  because it looks like i just described the exact scenario (second paragraph)your harping on before you even posted..  now before i go wtf; you get a exemption if you on any meds...  drugs, booze, women (they count as a drug) becuase this is so borderline simian and hypocratic im in awe... (this is the stuff why i frequent these boards pure unbridled chimpanzee with chaos theory to the 2 power.., I freaking love it..)


I did explain that by having a fouled magazine  you may not get proper feed into the chamber (note bullet in chamber with bolt closed,{hence magazine and firing pin have no direct relation} that still results in misfire from pin not contacting the round.. (hence the click..  if round was fouling the bolt then there would be no click so i agree there but again you are saying one scenario i am saying another. one the bolt is seated(not properly but enough to allow the firing pin activate) the other they bolt is not seated and hence no firing pin activation...)

Lazs you may know your pistols, black powder weapons, hellz angels and whatever else..  but dont go jumping into a discussion where your wrong.. let alone so damn wrong that you using my own text to lambast me when i clearly described what your harping about in a earlier post one that you have acknowledged you read by this comment:

no yo... that doesn't clear it up.

If you had 100 rounds of experience you most likely have had the scenario of what im describing ..  round in chamber, bolt ready, firing pin clicks but you get a misfire..  its not rocket science..

dont over complicate, just read (dont read into) and make your comments..  

Whoever can find in my post where i say the firing pin and the magazine are directly related Ill give you a cookie.


DoctorYo


PS:fellas better get your reading skills up; dont make me call the "Sweet Pickles Bus" on your non reading arses..

[john9001]

no need to call people names, DoctorYo

[rabbidrabbit]

I don't know how many thousands of rounds I have fired through the m16 series but I have never experienced the bolt going to full battery and then getting a misfire that could be attributed to what you are saying.

The most likely reason for a misfire at that point is a weak spring or heavy fouling not the magazine preventing the least few thousands of an inch of travel.  At the point of battery the round has long left the magazine and the bolt should not be near the magazine unless its badly deformed.  Do you have any references to this particular situation?

[FX1]

Originally posted by lazs2
fxi... that was fast but... not even as fast as some revolver guys do with full moon clips and.... they don't have some huge dorky magazine funnel on the bottom of their gun or a magazine sticking out at a 45 dgree angle from their belt... if they wore their shirt over it they would look like an overexcited teenager at a lingere judging contest.

Full moon clips hold 5-8 revolver rounds and you just drop em in the cylinder.

lazs

I have been to some revolver matchs and they are wicked fast. I am not a revolver guy but those guys that shoot open pistols are just jet eye fast and if you see it in real life they will make your mouth drop. btw

[lada]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
M16 mags suck.

Just mags ?

[lazs2]

dr yo.... I don't know where you got your doctorate but it didn't have anything to do with writing or firearms.

you claim..

 "but if the round is not seated in the chamber correctly it doesn't get tapped by the firing pin correctly and you get a misfire.. (a loud click;the pin attempted but either missed due to angle of primer or out of reach)
(what your talking about there is no click becuase the round is holding the bolt or obstructing it.. (the pin wont get a chance to fire becuase the bolt is not where it should be)"

you SEEM to be saying that the magazine allows the round to seat into the chamber at an angle and still be far enough in for the bolt to close and lock  and... the firing pin to function but... that .... the firing pin then strikes the primer (somehow) at an "angle" so you get a failure to fire?   A loud "click" that you attribute to the firing pin somehow (impossibly) missing the primer or, worse.... you claim that the firing pin can't reach the primer.

When the the hammer strikes the firing pin or simply releases the striker and all you hear is a loud click.... then either the chamber is empty or you have a bad primer or... a bad firing pin.   the round is not in the chamber at some odd angle due to feeding from the magazine in some bizzare way.

I am no expert nor am I some english major but... I have enough of both to see you don't have a clue.

lazs

[lazs2]

I guess we have to add the earler quote that started it (and earns me a cookie).

"try this again..

bullet in clip not flush against the back of the clip, when chambering the round it does not seat properly "

you are saying that the magazine firing pin relationship is that the magazine prevents the round from "seating" (chambering) or worse... that it allows the round to somehow chamber at an agle this is wrong of course because it the round goes into the chamber then it will seat there fully with no further relationship to the mag unless the mag is sticking up and making the bolt drag on the feed lips slowing the bolt...  once the round leaves the mag and starts into the funnel that is the chamber... It makes no difference how it had ever been in or had left the mag (clip as you call it).

if you have to use the bolt assist it is because of a dirty chamber or odd sized round or the bolt slowing for one reason or another.

lazs

[Siaf__csf]

I have been to some revolver matchs and they are wicked fast. I am not a revolver guy but those guys that shoot open pistols are just jet eye fast and if you see it in real life they will make your mouth drop. btw

Like this you mean?

http://www.m90.org/view_image.php?image_id=3232