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« Reply #60 on: April 25, 2005, 05:21:18 PM »
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Bottom line to me is really simple, I like a good fight and I'll fly where I can find it. The outcome is less important to me then the experience....I was getting the snot knocked out of me by -HR- rocketman and BigT long before you knew what a flight sim was...and I've paddled the back side of snot nosed little kids like Oopsey...to see em come back as killing machines like shane.

There was a guy named Brook in AW (no clue if he still plays) who summed guys like me up very nicely "below the gods but above the unwashed masses".



If you mean "Brooke" he's here.  Drop in for the scenario Saturday, we have openings for torpedo bombers.  :)  Brooke is the GL.  We are IJN this week and next for the last 2 frames.
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« Reply #61 on: April 25, 2005, 05:25:12 PM »
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Please... lets say that the new Stars wars movies comes out and you really want to see it but you keep hearing people say it stinks. Do you ever listen to the lemmings or do you go and see it anyway and make up your own mind?

Same thing here... your going to go in and make up your own mind. So stop with this "I'm not coming in unless I feel welcome" boo hoo...


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« Reply #62 on: April 25, 2005, 05:25:58 PM »
Yeah, yeah... and I walked to school in the snow 6 feet deep, 5 miles uphill each way... yada, yada, yada.

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« Reply #63 on: April 25, 2005, 05:26:37 PM »
GRANDPA!!

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« Reply #64 on: April 25, 2005, 05:52:36 PM »
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Do you ever listen to the lemmings ?


I can't choose between which set of lemmings to listen too. The ones that think Star Wars is crap , or the ones who wear a chewbacca costume standing in 100 degree heat for three hours just to see what Darth Vader looks like without his helmet on.:eek:

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« Reply #65 on: April 25, 2005, 05:57:59 PM »
I'm next door in the a/c'd boobies bar spending the money and time I'm saving by waiting for it to hit video.
Surrounded by suck and underwhelmed with mediocrity.
I'm always right, it just takes some poepl longer to come to that realization than others.
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« Reply #66 on: April 25, 2005, 06:01:59 PM »
Waiting for it to hit video? I just hop on the newsgroups and see for myself before wasting my money :p

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« Reply #67 on: April 25, 2005, 06:07:21 PM »
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Please... lets say that the new Stars wars movies comes out and you really want to see it but you keep hearing people say it stinks. Do you ever listen to the lemmings or do you go and see it anyway and make up your own mind?

Same thing here... your going to go in and make up your own mind. So stop with this "I'm not coming in unless I feel welcome" boo hoo...



You're not getting it.  Using your own Star Wars example.  You can bet they spent a lot of time and energy on public relations/Advertising  too.

I've yet to see Lucas say something similar to your last paragraph.  He's trying to sell his movie and he wants folks to have a good impression so they come in.  

You're saying you could care less, in the hopes people will come anyway and find out for themselves.

In the end you have very small numbers in the CT.

So it still comes down to, give me a reason to see your independent film that is "better" even though no one is in line to buy tickets.

As I look elsewhere I see blockbuster down the street where the crowd is lined up to get inside.

It's still about the PR and the leadership from the guys trying to sell the concept don't you think?

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« Reply #68 on: April 25, 2005, 06:09:50 PM »
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It's still about the PR and the leadership from the guys trying to sell the concept don't you think?

Dan/CorkyJr


I think Guppy nailed the whole idea of this thread.

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« Reply #69 on: April 25, 2005, 06:25:41 PM »
STAR WARS SUX!!!!!  LORD OF THE RINGS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #70 on: April 25, 2005, 06:25:43 PM »
If you review the history of the CT from the early days when it was just a proposal until now the disinterested observer sees a few constants.

For example, in the pre-CT days a very small but vocal crowd continually tried to convince anyone who would read the board that what the vast majority of players REALLY wanted was a more "realistic" arena with historical matchups. The proposal was that we all hungered for no dar, no icons, no tracers, no this, no that, no the other thing and a "historically correct" planeset that rotated to allow various matchups.

Well, HT finally gave those folks enough rope to hang themselves. They got the CT as their very own sandbox, within the capabilities of the game program. There were things they wanted to do that the programming just didn't allow.

For the most part, the early proponents of the CT experience are long gone.

The experiment, after enjoying an initial burst of participation, faded down to a low level. Recently, it has about hit rock bottom. I don't know how long it can really be considered a viable option when prime time play shows single digit participation.

A realist would examine the history of the CT, the various "schemes" that were tried to elicit greater participation and come to the conclusion that what the CT proponents were trying to sell simply wasn't wanted by the majority of the AH players.

To be specific, the vast majority of players did not care for no dar, no icon setups. Even the move to "reduced MA icons" was a failure in attracting more players. The diehards refuse to accept the fact that the limitations of a monitor are excessive in comparison to real life SA. The great majority of players realize that and accept the modifications that ameliorate that situation.

As for the "historical matchups" it was found early on that this simply couldn't work. On the one hand, there were several theaters/periods of the war where one side or the other had a clearly superior airplane. Setups that are "true" to that history invite one side to clobber the snot out of the other in an arena format and generally lead to one side, the clobberees being rather unpopulated. Additionally, the AH planeset in the early days was to thin to really support such a "historical" setup and thus ridiculous substitutions were made, such as putting a Peggy in place of a Betty in an otherwise early war setup.  I'm not sure the planeset could really support this idea now; I know it didn't in the early days.

So, I don't think there's any hope for the CT. Sorry for being blunt, but the only real option is to make it as close to the MA as possible but with historical opponents. I really don't think that would work either.

Its probably best left as it is. A very small club for the few willing to overlook (or relish) what the rest of the folks consider unreasonable limitations.

Just .02 from a disinterested observer.
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« Reply #71 on: April 25, 2005, 06:26:06 PM »
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SA2, every time you get a couple of kills tonight I'll be there to take em away from you... just like any other night you venture into the CT. :D




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« Reply #72 on: April 25, 2005, 06:29:10 PM »
HEY VWE dont HO I do!!!

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« Reply #73 on: April 25, 2005, 06:34:39 PM »
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HEY VWE dont HO I do!!!


uh huh




BTW   Star Wars and LTOR both kick bellybutton you little ingrate. I do prefer LTOR though:D

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« Reply #74 on: April 25, 2005, 06:38:34 PM »
Here is an idea..........LETS JUST GET RID OF THE WHOLE CT FORUM ALL TOGETHER!!!!!SINCE NOTHING GOOD IS COMING FROM IT ALL ANYWAYS!!JUST THINK ........NO MORE CT BASHING !!!!MAYBE THERE WILL BE MORE PEOPLE FLYING CT!IN FACT THEY WOULD BE SO BORED FROM NOT HAVING ANY OF THIS SOAP OPERA BULL$*IT TO READ THEY WOULD HAVE TO FLY!!!JG54 DID THIS.......JG54 DID THAT.......JG54 SAID THIS.......BUILD A BRIDGE AND GET OVER IT PEOPLE!!!!!! I`VE SEEN SHANE TREAT PEOPLE FAR WORSE THAN JG54 EVER DID AND I DON`T SEE ANYBODY BRINGING THAT UP.HOW MANY NOOBS HAS SHANE RUN OUT OF THE GAME WITH HIS BIG MOUTH?????YOU PEOPLE KEEP IT UP AND THERE WILL BE NO DAMN CT.HOW MANY LW SQUADS ARE THERE IN CT BESIDES JG54?WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO THE CT IF JG54 LEFT?WE ARE A CT SQUAD......NOT AN MA SQUAD AND NOT A SEA SQUAD.SOMEOF US FLY IN MA IN DIFFERENT SQUADS.PERSONALLY I COULD CARE LESS WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF US CAUSE WE DON`T FLY SEA.IN FACT WE COULD SAY THE SAME FOR ALL OF YOU WHO DON`T FLY CT.IN FACT YOU FOLKS WHO DON`T FLY CT HAVE NO RIGHT TO BAD MOUTH US.YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY?GO TO THE CT AND SAY IT WITH A PLANE!!!!!I SAY PUT UP OR HAVE A NICE CUP OF STFU!



NOW INSTEAD OF WHINING AND CRYING ABOUT WHATS WRONG WITH JG54 AND THE CT IN GENERAL,LETS TRY AND MAKE THE DAMN CT A PLACE WORTH GOING TO.i PLEDGE RIGHT HERE AND NOW THAT IF IN 1 MONTHS TIME THINGS AREN`T BETTER THEN I`M OUT.i CAN SPEND MY 20 BUCKS ON MORE IMPORTANT THINGS IN LIFE.IF I WANTED A DAMN SOAP OPERA I`D WATCH WRESTLING.

I CHALLENGE ALL CT`ERS TO SUBMIT IDEAS TO FIX THIS PROBLEM.

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shane if you got something helpful to add then by all means add it.If not then shut your pie hole cause nobody wants to hear your smartarse remarks.





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