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« on: May 08, 2005, 07:26:46 PM »
Rev.: Political ousters a misunderstanding
By Paul Nowell, Associated Press Writer  |  May 8, 2005

WAYNESVILLE, N.C. -- Calling it a "great misunderstanding," the pastor of a small church who led the charge to remove nine members for their political beliefs tried to welcome them back Sunday, but some insisted he must leave for the wounds to heal.
 
The Rev. Chan Chandler didn't directly address the controversy during the service at East Waynesville Baptist Church, but issued a statement afterward through his attorney saying the church does not care about its members' political affiliations.

"No one has ever been voted from the membership of this church due to an individual's support or lack of support for a political party or candidate," he said.

Nine members said they were ousted during a church gathering last week by about 40 others because they refused to support President Bush. They attended Sunday's service with their lawyer and many supporters.

Chandler noted their presence in his welcome to the congregation, saying, "I'm glad to see you all here. ... We are here today to worship the Lord. I hope this is what you are here for."

But Chandler's statement and his welcome didn't convince those members who were voted out that things would soon change, and some called for him to resign.

"This all started over politics and our right to vote for whoever we wanted to," said Thelma Lowe, who has been attending the church for 42 years. She and her husband Frank, a deacon at the church for 35 years, were among those voted out.

"Things will never be the same here until he leaves," she said.

Chandler, 33, has been at the church for less than three years.

The ousted members have said Chandler told them during last year's presidential campaign that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic nominee Sen. John Kerry needed to leave the church in the mountain town about 125 miles northwest of Charlotte.

"He needs to leave," said Marlene Casey, 42, a lifelong member. "A lot of blood, sweat and tears have been shed by the people he told to leave."

Added Lewis Inman, a deacon at the church who said he was voted out Monday: "He could have apologized and made everything right. He's not man enough."

Chandler invited all church members to attend a business meeting on Tuesday. "This should all be cleared up by the end of the week," he said in an interview after the service.

Chandler said he and his wife have received calls from around the nation -- some of them threatening -- since his politics in the pulpit made national news.

His actions also drew criticism from other Baptist clergymen in the town.

"This is very disturbing," the Rev. Robert Prince III, who leads the congregation at the nearby First Baptist Church, said Saturday. "I've been a pastor for more than 25 years, and I have never seen church members voted out for something like this."

Some members of his congregation, however, voiced their support for Chandler on Sunday.

"He's a wonderful, good old country boy," Pam Serafin said as she walked into the church. "There are always two sides to every story."
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2005, 07:55:34 PM »
that's sad when politics rears it's ugly face at a place of worship.  I've never understood how a church would/could turn their backs on anyone for that matter.  That's very "un-christian like"

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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2005, 08:01:03 PM »
I don't understand "voting out" someone from a church. Is this a place of worship or an episode of survivor?
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2005, 08:04:42 PM »
Alarmist post.

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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2005, 08:14:49 PM »
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Alarmist post.


Was gonna post one reason why I support separation of church and state, but I figured it didn't need to be said, I stand corrected.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2005, 08:16:29 PM »
Then where is it?

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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2005, 08:16:53 PM »
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Then where is it?


I just said it
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2005, 08:17:11 PM »
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There are always two sides to every story."
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2005, 08:17:51 PM »
I..... see....?

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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2005, 08:18:22 PM »
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I..... see....?


Well it's about time!
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« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2005, 08:20:44 PM »
Sixpence, surely you must know that the phrase 'separation of church and state' does not appear in the Constitution.

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« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2005, 08:22:02 PM »
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Sixpence, surely you must know that the phrase 'separation of church and state' does not appear in the Constitution.


Did I say it did?
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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2005, 08:24:53 PM »
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Nine members said they were ousted during a church gathering last week by about 40 others because they refused to support President Bush. They attended Sunday's service with their lawyer and many supporters.

Chandler noted their presence in his welcome to the congregation, saying, "I'm glad to see you all here. ... We are here today to worship the Lord. I hope this is what you are here for."



That's funny that they went back to Church with lawyers. I wouldn't want to go back at all unless that pastor was gone.

Then the pastor tried to gloss over what he did.  :D

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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2005, 08:32:30 PM »
I'm just funnin' ya, Sixpence.

I attempted to cover the same ground a few weeks ago, after the Republican leader of the US Senate was fresh off an appearence at a huge religious rally condemning the judiciary, and supporting the notion that the filibuster was attack on religious freedom.

It was like nobody knew what I was talking about. Like Dinger said, if your opponent does not agree on any reasonable principles of argument, there's no point discussing with him.

Sorry for the troll... I just wanted to know what it felt like to be so oblivious.

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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2005, 08:44:23 PM »
never trust anything that can't be taxed