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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2005, 10:28:46 PM »
Nash:
If your argument is that the GOP is cynically exploiting people who believe in the judeo-christian God, then I agree with you.  I have much bigger issues with them than that one, but you would be right.
If your argument is that this exploitation is unconstitutional then I do not agree with you.  Our Constitution is double-edged regarding religion and government.  The government may not make laws regarding faith.  But all citizens, including those in public office, are free to hold and express political views based on faith.
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« Reply #46 on: May 08, 2005, 10:29:43 PM »
I do think that foreign language is way cool. But mostly moaned into my ear by a free spirited traveller.

You are not that.

So wtf?
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« Reply #47 on: May 08, 2005, 10:30:52 PM »
Chinga tu madre!
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« Reply #48 on: May 08, 2005, 10:31:56 PM »
Ging bok choi mah?

Sung tok choi bo.

Wah tah fok?
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« Reply #49 on: May 08, 2005, 10:32:15 PM »
You wan chitty chrimp?
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« Reply #50 on: May 08, 2005, 10:36:24 PM »
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Nash:
If your argument is that the GOP is cynically exploiting people who believe in the judeo-christian God, then I agree with you.  I have much bigger issues with them than that one, but you would be right.
If your argument is that this exploitation is unconstitutional then I do not agree with you.  Our Constitution is double-edged regarding religion and government.  The government may not make laws regarding faith.  But all citizens, including those in public office, are free to hold and express political views based on faith.


My point isn't that the GOP is cynically exploiting people based on faith. I'm afraid to say that it's a given. But no...

Those views, and that exploitation, is making its way into laws...

That I do find problematic.
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« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2005, 10:36:35 PM »
Been watching Deadwood?

"Swearengen!," "Socktucker! "San Francisco!"

Wu is one of the highlights.
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« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2005, 10:38:40 PM »
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Those views, and that exploitation, is making its way into laws...



And an example of such a law that has passed recently in the US Congress is?

And it violates the First because?


Take your time, no rush.
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« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2005, 10:39:22 PM »
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My point isn't that the GOP is cynically exploiting people based on faith. I'm afraid to say that it's a given. But no...

Those views, and that exploitation, is making its way into laws...

That I do find problematic.


Which laws exactly?  I would find it problematic too.
Not as problematic as oh, the size of the federal government, federal income tax, social security, etc, but still problematic.
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« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2005, 10:39:31 PM »
Schiavo.
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« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2005, 10:41:36 PM »
Well, I'm agnostic, and I think it was wrong to kill her, so what else you got?
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« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2005, 10:41:59 PM »
It'll do, Funked.
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« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2005, 10:52:07 PM »
I guess I actually do find that one problematic, because it's the federal government interfering where they don't belong.  But I don't find the religious side of it problematic.  You don't need to be a Christian to think that was a wrongful death.  We aren't going to strike down murder laws because they happen to agree with the 6th commandment.
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« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2005, 10:53:04 PM »
OK, there's your idea of an example.

The bill passed in Congress applied only to Schiavo and only allowed a federal court to review the case. The House passed the legislation on a 203-58 vote, the Senate approved the bill Sunday by voice vote. Sounds like the two parties were pretty well in agreement doesn't it? Hard to make this into a Republican thing.

Now, show how it violates the First.

If you can, I'll have another question.
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« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2005, 10:53:56 PM »
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We aren't going to strike down murder laws because they happen to agree with the 6th commandment.


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