Mexico furious at tough US law on migrants

[Vipermann]

you can invade, just don't get rid of the all-inclusive resorts, I hate carrying money around to get drunk.

[NUKE]

Fox and Mexico can go screw themselves. Mexico has all the resources they need to become a world power.....it's been at their fingertips for  hundreds of years, but the people are  too stupid, lazy, greedy, or corrupt to make that country a success.

I laugh when I hear of Mexicans "re-claiming" the southern US. If they did aquire the southern US, they would just turn it into northern Mexico.....no different than any other part of Mexico.

It's not the land, it's the system. Too bad for Mexicans, their system and government keeps them in 3rd world status.

[bustr]

Originally posted by parker00

I always thought it was a "better fences build better neighbors" or something like that.

In Mexico if you build a home or business without a fence or wall around the perimiter, you won't have anything to come home to. So just the same, unless we build a wall or block the border, we won't have the good O'l U.S. of A. to come home to either.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by lazs2
we will continue to have the problem so long as we allow the employers to continue to hire illegals.

there should be a 3-5 day national waiting period on new hires for any job no matter how trivial and the records would be checked at a fedral level like the gun buying waiting period... consular ID's would not pass.

Anyone hiring an illegal without going through the process would get a mandatory 1 year jail sentance.

once the flood of illegals looking for work dried up we could concentrate on the few who would be coming over for criminal or terrorist purposes.

lazs

Read Midnight's post.

Once the Mexican economy finally picks up, then maybe Mexicans wont be so eager to leave their homes to look for work in another country.

[lazs2]

If we jail people who hire illegals then they won't be coming here for work.   A central clearing house and 5 day waiting period for new hires would work.    If no one believes that a 5 day waiting period or background check by the feds has any value then why the hell do they do it for buying a firearm?

lazs

[NUKE]

Originally posted by lazs2
If we jail people who hire illegals then they won't be coming here for work.   A central clearing house and 5 day waiting period for new hires would work.    If no one believes that a 5 day waiting period or background check by the feds has any value then why the hell do they do it for buying a firearm?

lazs

We need to jail anybody from any government agency who doles out any assistence to illegals too. Also, jail any illegal who gets caught in the US for a second time.

Also, ZERO benifits or US rights to any illegal. Screen them at schools, hospitals..etc......and deport them as they are found.

[Elfie]

Originally posted by lazs2
If we jail people who hire illegals then they won't be coming here for work.   A central clearing house and 5 day waiting period for new hires would work.    If no one believes that a 5 day waiting period or background check by the feds has any value then why the hell do they do it for buying a firearm?

lazs

Instant checks would work, but who is going to pay for that kind of system to be put in place? Every employer in America would have to have access. I am all for punishing employers that knowingly hire illegals, dont get me wrong on that. It's just not gonna cure the problem imo.

Look at it this way. Would you leave the USA for any other country? Most likely not.

IF you lived in poverty with no health care, didnt know for sure if you could feed the kids tomorrow or not etc, you would probably start thinking about moving somewhere else. That's the root of the problem imo. Mexicans want a better standard of living that their gov't isnt helping provide, so they look elsewhere.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by lazs2
If we jail people who hire illegals then they won't be coming here for work.   A central clearing house and 5 day waiting period for new hires would work.    If no one believes that a 5 day waiting period or background check by the feds has any value then why the hell do they do it for buying a firearm?

lazs

Jobs don't kill people................. hey wait a minute!


Sometimes it's impossible to tell laz. I worked with a guy for 5 years. When he was fired I found out he was using his brother's name and ID.

[lazs2]

MT... I am not asking yu to "tell".   I am talking a federal program like the 5 day waiting period for firearms purchase...  If it wouldn't work then why do we have it for firearms?

The person who did the hiring would not be liable if the illegal passed the 5 day waiting period/background check.  

lazs

[midnight Target]

We already do a background check. Maybe the Feds could save us some money.

Protecting our borders is why we pay taxes. I say they need to be protected.

[firbal]

Illegals push wages down so it's hard for anyone else to compete for a liviable wage.

[lazs2]

MT... maybe the reason you had so few illegals was because you do background checks.   Most do not.   A federal waiting period would probly stop 99% of all illegal hirings... that is the figure claimed for success of the 5 day national waiting period for firearms.

lazs

[Drunky]

Originally posted by Vincent Fox “Building walls doesn't help anyone build a good neighbourhood,” he said. “Taking away the possibility of obtaining driving licences for people who are working in legal jobs, who pay their taxes there, who send remittances home here, seems to us to be an extreme measure, particularly given the new understanding that we thought we had after the re-election of President Bush.”

I think Vincent Fox spends too much time away from Mexico because he obviously doesn't seem to know what actually happens between Mexico and Texas.

First of all, most that cross are ILLEGAL.  His term of 'working legal jobs' is nice though.  Makes it sound wholesome like apple pie and baseball.  Yes, working construction is a 'legal job' but being here is illegally is...well, illegal all the same.

Drivers licences for illegals?  Are you nucking futs?  This isn't the liberal Democratic state of Idiocy...I mean, California.  Why should someone who is illegally here be given a drivers licences?  Isn't it illegal for them to be here in the first place?

'Pay their taxes'.  That is a fig bucking joke.  They are illegal.  How are we going to collect taxes from them?  They are usually paid with cash.  Without a legal SSN, how are we getting their taxes again?

'Send remittances home here'...here is the diamond in the bull****.  We (the US) are the second biggest source of foreign economy after selling oil.

Vincent Fox wants more Mexican to leave Mexico.  Less people in his country to worry about, reduces unemployment, creates more money coming back to Mexico.

I'm tired of my taxes going to people who don't pay taxes so that they can be here illegally, getting free medical, and living on welfare.

So there.

[edit] The freaking wall would stop illegals coming into the country.  Not those who can get into the country legally.

[NUKE]

I remember when Fox was on  Hannity and Colmes. Hannity asked him if illegals were breaking the law entering the US illegally.

He refused to say that what they were doing was illegal, even though he was pressed over and over.

Sean asked if they were breaking any laws....all he would say is that they are "migrant workers"

He refused to aknowledge that our laws are being broken. He has only one view, and that is: Mexicans must be allowed to work in the US, no matter what immigration laws we may have.

Now he throws a tantrum becuase of the real ID law. Tough cookies Fox.

[DREDIOCK]

Two words for Fox come to mind.

Tough Chit.

Be happy Im not running things or I'd make Mexico a State.

Or at the very least a US territory