Author Topic: Turning The Tables George Galloway (Read 6870 times)

Momus-- · « **Reply #135 on:** May 21, 2005, 01:30:52 PM »

Nuke, I already gave you 2 examples, one of the USA using the strategic relationship with the Saudis to up the pressure on the USSR, another of how concern for protecting that strategic advantage led to a particular course of action. There are other examples. Maybe you should go and look them up instead of gaying up this thread with your attention whoring.

NUKE · « **Reply #136 on:** May 21, 2005, 01:34:49 PM »

Momus, you did not give even one example of US control over Persian Gulf oil.

Using a partnership with the Saudis to "pressure" the USSR is not controling Persian Gulf resources nor is it an example of US control over anybody's oil. You are indeed a simpleton

You claimed that for 60 years, the number one US goal was to control Persian Gulf resources. You have been shown to be a clueless dolt who cannot back up that claim.

Momus-- · « **Reply #137 on:** May 21, 2005, 01:57:27 PM »

Ok Nuke,

First up, please point to the place where I said that the USA actually *achieved* its goal of dominating persian gulf oil supplies.

Next, are you saying that being able to get your allies to drive down the price of the most important commodity on the planet doesn't represent an extraordinary degree of control over that resource?

Then, tell me exactly how you would expect to operate a modern military in action for any extended length of time without a guaranteed source of fuel. The 1st priority for any militarily active nation is to guarantee its fuel sources. Oil supplies were a deciding factor in WW1, with the allies control of gulf oil being one of the keys to final success. Why was one of Japan's first moves in 1941/2 to sieze the oil fields they needed to prosecute the rest of the war? Didn't shortages of fuel play a deciding part in the final defeat of Germany in 1945?

Are you really so obtuse as to dismiss the ultimate importance of oil as a strategic commodity? The statement I made that you seem to have such a problem with is just stating the obvious? Can you really not see that?

NUKE · « **Reply #138 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:02:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
Ok Nuke,

First up, please point to the place where I said that the USA actually *achieved* its goal of dominating persian gulf oil supplies.

LOL!

We sure went about our "goals" in a strange way.

I don't think I will even respond to such ignorance anymore. You are in a class by yourself. Simpleton.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #139 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:02:08 PM »

It's nice to see that the major controler of Oil production figures in the world is the US Department of State or Department of Defense and not that gang of criminals at OPEC...

Thanks for the great news Momus!

Momus-- · « **Reply #140 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:07:29 PM »

Don't put words in my mouth Grun; the example I gave dated from the 1980s.

But you knew that anyway.

Nuke, since you are unable to answer the points in any way at all I'll take derision from you as the compliment it obviously is.

Thank you, you're too kind.

NUKE · « **Reply #141 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:09:43 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
Don't put words in my mouth Grun; the example I gave dated from the 1980s.

But you knew that anyway.

Nuke, since you are unable to answer the points in any way at all I'll take derision from you as the compliment it obviously is.

Thank you, you're too kind.

Since you are unable to back up your dumb-ass idea that the number one US goal for the last 60 years was to control Persian Gulf resources, I'll just assume you are a simpleton.

Silly me, I never knew that for 60 years the US's main goal was to control Persian Gulf resources. I guess I'm just a dipchit.

Thrawn · « **Reply #142 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:10:56 PM »

NUKE, your ability to not realise when your getting your bellybutton kicked in a debate is awesome.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #143 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:11:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Momus--
Don't put words in my mouth Grun;

I'm sorry, somehow I got the impression that you were telling us how the US controlled pricing and output of the most dominant resurce on earth through its strategy of alliances and military bases in the middle east.

Apparently that was not the case and you were just posting your mom's favorite recepie for coffe cake...

My mistake...

NUKE · « **Reply #144 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:14:18 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
NUKE, your ability to not realise when your getting your bellybutton kicked in a debate is awesome.

You are awesome! You never enter a debate, just make drive-by comments.

You think I'm losing? LOL. Maybe you can tell Momus some insider information that will help him explain his idea that for the last 60 years, the number one goal of the US was to control Persian Gulf resources.

Thrawn, lets go..... jump right into the debate with your awesome intellect.

Thrawn · « **Reply #145 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:17:36 PM »

Why, so you can have two people refute your points? So you can tell more lies declare yourself teh winnar, and call someone else a simpleton.

Momus is doing a fine job holding up his end. And you are doing a fine job making yourself look like a fool, you don't need my help.

NUKE · « **Reply #146 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:20:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Why, so you can have two people refute your points? So you can tell more lies declare yourself teh winnar, and call someone else a simpleton.

Momus is doing a fine job holding up his end. And you are doing a fine job making yourself look like a fool, you don't need my help.

Momus is doing a fine job in your little brain. He has not backed up his claim that the US's number one goal for the past 60 years has been to control Persian Gulf resources. He had been shown to be a fool on that subject, and you are shown to be only a follower of a fool.

Do you ever debate anything with your own little brain?

Silat · « **Reply #147 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:21:26 PM »

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Funny how when a couple of news sources get it wrong you jump all over it..But when your pres gets it completely wrong you defend him over and over again.

That is what the radical CULT of Bush has done to half of our voting citizens:(
It is very sad indeed.
Be assured that the other half of the voters havent succumbed to the CULT.

Silat · « **Reply #148 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:22:59 PM »

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Originally posted by culero
Exactly right! Congratulations on your enlightenment!

culero (now come here, we have some questions to ask.... )

Cully your avatar is banned in Texas isnt it?

Momus-- · « **Reply #149 on:** May 21, 2005, 02:25:35 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I'm sorry, somehow I got the impression that you were telling us how the US controlled pricing and output of the most dominant resurce on earth through its strategy of alliances and military bases in the middle east.
My mistake...

So, are you you contradicting my claim about the Saudi's cold war efforts to drive the price of crude down in the 1980's at the expense of the USSR? Yes or no will do.