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« Reply #120 on: May 21, 2005, 10:05:00 AM »
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I wonder who worked dilligently to ensure that most people believed he had WMD's?   "Patriotism should never be a blind faith".


Saddam himself. Saddam could have fully cooperated but decided not too. Saddam is the only reason the US sent forces to the area also. Saddam is the reason for BOTH gulf wars, no other reason.

Of course, some people like to completely ignore Iraq's role in both gulf wars and say it's all about oil :lol

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« Reply #121 on: May 21, 2005, 10:18:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Gixer

So unless you don't consider Alaska,San Francisco or pretty much most of the NW of the US as part of the USA. Then how about the Mighty USA do something about it! As actually you are closer!   :lol


...-Gixer


What has North Korea done that needs to be delt with by the US?

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« Reply #122 on: May 21, 2005, 10:41:53 AM »
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Why should I educate you on this Nuke, when you clearly have never even tried to educate yourself? Were you dropped on your head as a small child?

Now feel free to actually cite some evidence that actually contradicts anything I've posted, because all I'm getting from you is a waste of bandwidth so far.

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« Reply #123 on: May 21, 2005, 10:43:15 AM »
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Originally posted by Gixer
:rofl

Well we all know Americans aren't the best when it comes to geography but  that comment is hilarious.

ZKPY is Pyongyang International. So think of a ICBM taking off instead of a 747.

ZKPY-NZAA (Auckland,NZ)  5320 nm

ZKPY-KLAX    5580  nm

ZKPY-KSFO   4985   nm

ZXPY-PANC   3380   nm


So unless you don't consider Alaska,San Francisco or pretty much most of the NW of the US as part of the USA. Then how about the Mighty USA do something about it! As actually you are closer!   :lol


...-Gixer


~golf clap~ Nicely played!

Now go back to buggering sheep :)

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« Reply #124 on: May 21, 2005, 10:47:51 AM »
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Originally posted by Momus--
Why should I educate you on this Nuke, when you clearly have never even tried to educate yourself? Were you dropped on your head as a small child?

Now feel free to actually cite some evidence that actually contradicts anything I've posted, because all I'm getting from you is a waste of bandwidth so far.


Why don't you give some examples that back up your crazy ideas that the US's main goal for the last 60 years was to control middle east oil? Can you name one time in US history that we have ever controled any middle east oil?

You head is full of chowder, you simpleton.


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Now it is entirely your right to fly in the face of reality and in the face of sixty years of your own political history during which time successive US governments have made control of the resources of the persian gulf their number one strategic priority


:lol  :lol

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« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2005, 10:51:19 AM »
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If you want sociopaths apparently the place to look is in America's armed forces.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,1489001,00.html

So just explain to me what exactly the difference between you lot and Saddam Hussein actually is.....it's a little confusing....and no we're not jealous of you, we think of you as petulant, un - educated bullies.


American forces do not torture; they are just interrogating.

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« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2005, 10:55:43 AM »
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Originally posted by Schaden

So just explain to me what exactly the difference between you lot and Saddam Hussein actually is.....it's a little confusing....


Only a brainless, hate-filled simpleton like yourself could be confused about the difference between the US and Saddam. But then, that's expected from you.

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« Reply #127 on: May 21, 2005, 10:55:49 AM »
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American forces do not torture; they are just interrogating.


Exactly right! Congratulations on your enlightenment!

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« Reply #128 on: May 21, 2005, 11:21:20 AM »
Ok Nuke, If you say I'm wrong then fine, whatever you say. After all, why would a military-industrial superpower like the USA feel it needed to ensure the security of its oil supply during the cold war and beyond? It's just ridiculous.
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« Reply #129 on: May 21, 2005, 11:29:12 AM »
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Ok Nuke, If you say I'm wrong then fine, whatever you say. After all, why would a military-industrial superpower like the USA feel it needed to ensure the security of its oil supply during the cold war and beyond? It's just ridiculous.


That's what I thought. You can't back up your claims that the number one US policy goal for the last 60 years was to control persian gulf oil. :lol

You can't name ONE time in US history that we have ever controled any persian gulf oil.

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« Reply #130 on: May 21, 2005, 11:31:44 AM »
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You can't name ONE time in US history that we have ever controled any persian gulf oil.


I think you just answered your own question Nuke..
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« Reply #131 on: May 21, 2005, 11:39:10 AM »
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Now it is entirely your right to fly in the face of reality and in the face of sixty years of your own political history during which time successive US governments have made control of the resources of the persian gulf their number one strategic priority.

 


Sorry, but this statement is a gem. :lol

What alternate universe is this cartoon humping simpleton from?

WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, Somalia, Grenada,  Afghanistan, and all of the wars we have been involved with have all been about Persian Gulf oil in this simpleton's mind.

Afterall, for the last 60 years the number one US goal was to control Persian Gulf oil. Why would the US go to war for any other reason? It's just ridiculous. :lol
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« Reply #132 on: May 21, 2005, 12:55:07 PM »
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Yes, but it appears he said that after he developed his 20/20 hindsight.


20/20 hindsight brought on after a crude character assassination attempt by the pentagon, and information that the demise of unscom was the cia's doing.

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« Reply #133 on: May 21, 2005, 12:57:29 PM »
Nuke, you can't even differentiate between incidental outbreaks of fighting such as in Somali and an overarching strategic imperative, so how can you expect to understand the subject?

US oil production is expected to be massively outstripped by consumption within the next 20 years meaning your oil imports will mushroom. Can you even begin to comprehend how economically screwed you would be as a country if the major oil producers started asking for payment in yen or euros or roubles instead of dollars? Couple that with a massive increase in consumption from the rest of the planet driving prices up even further. Is it starting to sink in yet how closely tied your fortunes are to the stuff?

Here is an example of how the control of oil was employed at a strategic level during the cold war. During the 1980's, the Saudi Arabian authorities along with their US oil industry partners colluded with the Reagan government to drive down the price of oil. Because gulf oil is the cheapest to drill on the planet, they were able to push down the price so low that it dropped below the level at which the Soviet Union with massive oil reserves of its own was able to make a profit on its own production. As a result, the Soviet economy was starved of hard currency. This was a major contribution to the fiscal collapse that signalled the end of the USSR.

Is it starting to sink in yet?

Why did the US encourage Iraq to attack Iran in 1980? Because the Iranian revolution had threatened to expand Iran's influence across the oil rich nations of the persian gulf. Iran under Khomeni was pro-Russia. Carter initiated the assistance to the Afghan rebels for the same reason, to prevent Russian encroachment into the region and maintain the US strategic advantge.

Getting there yet? How about a picture?



What are all those bases in the Gulf for? Are they guarding the sand and the goats?

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« Reply #134 on: May 21, 2005, 01:03:32 PM »
Momus, why don't you give one example of the US controling persian gulf oil?

You claimed that the number one US goal for the last 60 years was to control persian gulf resources. You can't back that up, and thus have been dismissed as the simpleton you are.