Turning The Tables George Galloway

[NUKE]

I don't think the invasion of Iraq was stupid. I also think that people are being incredibly short sighted on the subject.

I could list all the reasons why I feel the decision to invade Iraq was the correct action, if anyone cares to hear it.

As a by product of our invasion, Iraq may very welll turn out to be a watershed event for the good in the Middle East and the world. It's not all doom and gloom you know.

Iraq has a very good chance of coming out of this as a model for other oppressed people to look up too. I beleive that Iraq will make it and be far better off for the effort.

[rpm]

Unless you're psychic, nobody knows how Iraq will turn out. If I were a betting man, and I am, I'd put money on civil war within months of our pull out.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by rpm
Unless you're psychic, nobody knows how Iraq will turn out. If I were a betting man, and I am, I'd put money on civil war within months of our pull out.

Agreed. Also If I were a betting man I would bet that we are not gonna pull out for a lonnnggg time, if ever.

[Steve]

Funny, never in my life have I heard someone say they are jealous of Americans. Yet I hear that from Americans all the time.

Then how come you stick your noses on our business so much?  You raptly watch our presidential elections, spouting endless opinions from the cheap, no the free seats, based on little or no information.  Tell you what, stay out of American businees, stop ranting on here about our actions for say a year or 6;  then maybe,  just MAYBE, I'll start believing you don't have super power envy.  Uuntil then, all this BS about not being jealous over your country's world impotence means dick to me.

[Steve]

I'd put money on civil war within months of our pull out.

I think you're right... only maybe before we pull out.  It is a possibility  that there is finally a willingness for Iraqis to fight for their freedom.  I believe, in my simplistic mind, that a country held under the boot of a tyrant cannot be free unless its' people are willing to fight for that freedom.  How valuable if the freedom if it is handed to them?
 I do not think the Iraqis, as a whole, are yet to the point that they are wiling to fight and die for their freedom.  I think many of them are pefectly willing to play the role of oppressed victim to whomever is willing to step up and take control.  I believe that democracy in Iraq can only happen if a strong Iraqi leader(s) steps up to the plate.  unfortunately, the Iraqis are so corrupt, and their religious beliefs so tied to politics, that this may not be possible.

[Gixer]

Originally posted by Steve
Then how come you stick your noses on our business so much?

Simple.

I don't give a stuff what you country does to itself. Only when it sticks it's nose in the business of others on the world stage. Which effects us or others directly or indirectly in some small or large way.


...-Gixer

[rpm]

Originally posted by Steve
Then how come you stick your noses on our business so much?  You raptly watch our presidential elections, spouting endless opinions from the cheap, no the free seats, based on little or no information.  Tell you what, stay out of American businees, stop ranting on here about our actions for say a year or 6;  then maybe,  just MAYBE, I'll start believing you don't have super power envy.  Uuntil then, all this BS about not being jealous over your country's world impotence means dick to me.

Steve, It's the same reason we stick our nose into their business so much. We are a military superpower. Meanwhile, China is quietly taking control of our economy. Remember when we laughed at "Made in Japan"? Then Japan slowly took control of our automotive and electronics industries. We are so focused on our oil supply that we are ignoring China taking control of our remaining industries. China has become a space nation as well. The future is not bright and sunny. It's 1970 all over again.

[Gixer]

RPM,

Off topic but a interesting bit of info to chew on.

Walmart has some 5000 suppliers. 4000 of them are from China.


...-Gixer

[rpm]

My point exactly.

[Nash]

Originally posted by Steve
Then how come you stick your noses on our business so much?  

That's like you walking into my house in the middle of the night and saying "what you lookin' at?"

[Chairboy]

Originally posted by Gixer
Walmart has some 5000 suppliers. 4000 of them are from China.

Something to think about when shopping there.

[Steve]

Meanwhile, China is quietly taking control of our economy.

Ya, I was heartened to finally see the administration looking at this.

[Momus--]

Originally posted by Steve
Based on estimates, far less people have died than would have if Hussein was left in power.  

Pathetic.

You called Gixer a liar for claiming that tens of thousands had died post invasion. When called on this you change the subject. Nice work Ace! Based on what estimates? Estimates you just pulled out of your stunninghunk? Let's see the reasoning to support that contention.

I'm not confused.  It takes a leftist nutjob to consider our removal of Hussein to be anything but a good thing.

There are plenty of "conservatives" who have either a problem with the invasion itself or with the way it was sold to the public. That you have to label anyone who disagrees with the current mass orthodoxy a "leftist" just shows what a mental midget you are. I think I'd have more respect for the lot of you if you'd just accept the real reasons for the invasion rather than spouting this "but it was for the Iraqi people, think of the poor Iraqi people" hypocrisy. You didn't give a crap about them in 1980 and you don't give a crap about them now, other than to "liberate" that big pool of black gold that they're sat on top of; that natural wealth without which their country would just be another third world rat hole that you'd never have heard of. That you have neither the intellectual honesty or capacity to admit this, even to yourself, surprises me not one jot.

[NUKE]

The US invasion of Iraq was a blessing from God.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by NUKE
The US invasion of Iraq was a blessing from God.

God is a US taxpayer?