Author Topic: Boroda, your take on the violation of finn airspace? (Read 1383 times)

lazs2 · « **Reply #45 on:** May 25, 2005, 08:14:07 AM »

exactly curval... but the guy sees what he wants to see... probly a personal problem.

airguard... I use "the" fairly well.. I was only quoting the semi english speaker.

lazs

Panzzer · « **Reply #46 on:** May 25, 2005, 08:40:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, the story I heard is that Finnish airspace deliberately planned and executed an attack on the Soviet aircraft. They were only defending themselves.

Yes, that's probably how it must have happened.

11 violations of Finnish airspace have been reported since last October. The incidents involved flights between St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad, in which the Russian aircraft deviated from the (narrow) corridor of international airspace over the Gulf of Finland. Mostly the planes have been TU-134's and AN-26's, but also a Beriev A-50 Mainstay has been mentioned in the news. (An update, from today's news)

Elfie · « **Reply #47 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:27:39 AM »

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Originally posted by Curval
Not American unless born there? Not sure who has ever said that on this BBS. In fact I have read quite the opposite.

The backlash you have read about here does not relate to immigrants as such...but to ILLEGAL immigrants. From what I have seen, if you want to enter the US legally, work hard and beome "an American" you are welcome with open arms.

Exactly

Rino · « **Reply #48 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:50:01 AM »

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Originally posted by ATA
And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world.
I've spent 7 years in USA,i'm an American.But everyone of you keeps telling me that one not an American unless one was born here.What kind of a BS is that?How mane times have i heard "f*** emigrants".People like us created this country,people like you will destroy it.
Land of free!!!!Not anymore it isnt.
Anyway you can say crap about Russia all you want,it's the best you can do.This isn't Iraq,you have no balls nor power to invade us.
Oh Lord,i foresee a lot of replys,right Skuzzy?

We don't want to invade Russia. Heck, we might have to get a
tetanus shot after being cut by one of those old rustbuckets
that used to be your navy

Zakhal · « **Reply #49 on:** May 25, 2005, 11:54:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Hangtime
Really? F-18's? Damn, .. last time I checked they were flyin Mig21's and those kewl lil BAE Hawks.

Wonder why they went with a turkey like the Hornet.. the MiG29's are soooooooo sweet!

Finns have ever bought only two planes from USA. Brester and F18. Both are marine carrier-capable planes.

Hangtime · « **Reply #50 on:** May 25, 2005, 12:23:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Zakhal
Finns have ever bought only two planes from USA. Brester and F18. Both are marine carrier-capable planes.

I hope (sincerly!) that the Hornets serve Finland as well as the Brewsters did!

Boroda · « **Reply #51 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:21:19 PM »

I love such threads!

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Considering how bad the Finn's kicked their tulips in 105 days the last time they invaded, I think Ivan would be leary of trying again.

ack-ack

Last time I checked - there's nothing wrong with my ass.

I spent my childhood summers in Ino, where the Russian fort was until 1918, near Zelenogorsk (Terijoki). I think it explains who kicked who's ass.

Invading Finland is an interesting idea. Can you please explain to an asian barbarian on a shaggy mount - what for? I thought we have enough tundra... And enough oil in our own tundra. Is there any oil in Finland? If there is - I think they should be afraid of some other country, not Russia

Boroda · « **Reply #52 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:24:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
In soviet Russia the airspace violates you!

I am curious if it is supposed to be a joke...

Can you explain me the origin of this "Soviet Russia" stuff?... You know, cultural differences and all things...

Toad · « **Reply #53 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:24:31 PM »

There's a rumor that Fishu has a case of motor oil stashed in his closet. The invasion is scheduled for Monday.

Estel · « **Reply #54 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:37:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
There's a rumor that Fishu has a case of motor oil stashed in his closet. The invasion is scheduled for Monday.

NO! NEVER! Vodka cost there too much.

Boroda · « **Reply #55 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:38:02 PM »

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Originally posted by Staga
I think we should shoot down all Russian aircrafts entering our airspace without a permit; I heard that they might be crewed by Chechenyan terrorists and Ruskies would most likely be glad if few of those would die

You have all the rights to shoot down any unwanted planes in your airspace. I don't think it's a EU issue to protect your country.

IMHO it's a better idea for our military to make photo-recon of NATO airbases in "Baltic states". Maybe with some rusty An-24 falling down on NATO long-range radar station

The idea of building an air-defence SAM test-ground near Latvian border and lending it to Ukrainians is in the air now

Boroda · « **Reply #56 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:44:01 PM »

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Originally posted by mora
F/A-18C, Mig-29, Mirage 2000-5, F16C and Saab Gripen were evaluated and F/A-18 was found superior.

Sure the MiG-29 is fast and furious, but it lacks in BVR capability and in other avionics. Maintenance is a nightmare too. The model we got has the AN/APG-73 radar(used in F/A-18E) and uprated engines which made it superior to it's competitors.

Hmm, maintenance? I have heard that FAF technicians still remember MiG-21s with nostalgy, because F-18s are a nightmare in service.

Sure, the export MiG-29s have different avionics. AFAIK most of the VVS 29s are already upgraded to SMT version, that leaves only an airframe making it a completely different aircraft.

mora · « **Reply #57 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:46:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
I love such threads!

Me too! But I think we should continue in the "mega thread" if we want to go into that.

Boroda · « **Reply #58 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:50:22 PM »

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Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, the story I heard is that Finnish airspace deliberately planned and executed an attack on the Soviet aircraft. They were only defending themselves.

After a defensive action a peacefull Soviet lawnmover (mistakenly called a "plane" by bourgeous Finnish media) completely destroyed Finnish airspace, got out of ammunition and escaped to near-earth sattelite orbit.

mora · « **Reply #59 on:** May 25, 2005, 01:52:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmm, maintenance? I have heard that FAF technicians still remember MiG-21s with nostalgy, because F-18s are a nightmare in service.

Sure, the export MiG-29s have different avionics. AFAIK most of the VVS 29s are already upgraded to SMT version, that leaves only an airframe making it a completely different aircraft.

At least the major overhaul intervals are much longer on US planes than on the Russian planes. The MIG-21 in it's simplicity might have been more maintenance friendly on the field, and didn't reguire the same amount of training.

The planes were evaluated in 91-92, so the Mig-29 back then was more or less the "A" model. Sure the new versions are much better in the avionics department and they carry the AA-12 "Alamo" missiles which weren't around back then.