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Offline Nash

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« on: June 03, 2005, 10:12:46 PM »
Toad, or anyone else.... Whaddya got? I'm completely out of ideas.

Hegemony?
Backwards arsed conservatives foisting religious doctrine on a sympathetic government?
The rape of America by scoundrels?
The sad joke that is Iraq?

Actually, I've got one. I really have no idea where this one will go. But it could be interesting...

The psychology of people like you and me and everyone else who gets a rise out of politics.

Why is it that we do? Why is it that we pay so much attention to it? I mean, I've never been the type who gets out there and attends a rally, waving some sign. But I am passionate about it. For some gawdamned reason.

I would say that there exists a distinction between the way, for example, we follow it, and the way others do. That the contributions to the political posts here come from several levels of motives or reasons.

Just for example, many use a politician as their avatar, and along those lines, Eagler recently said something like "Which Democrats can you be a fan of? Which Democrat would you have as a poster on your wall?" as if to suggest that fandom was the driving force of the interest in politics. Bush as rock star, basically.

Others, such a lazs, view politics only as it pertains to how it effects their immediate surroundings. Never mind that car emissions effect everyone's health, or that riding without a helmet effects everyone's premiums, if there is any limit on what one can personally do, it is bad. I don't say this to argue an arguable point, but just to illustrate another's approach to politics.

Another, such as Gscholz, seems only to follow it in as much as it bears evidence to an already held belief.

Nuke follows it in a way that glosses over the minutia or pesky details, and instead uses it to help shape a grand or overall world view he holds. A great amount of idealism involved here.

Sandman views it with a healthy skepticism.

Funked thinks that pretty much any discussion of politics is verboten. And that any criticism of it can be simplistically reduced to an attack on Bush.

Hangtime... perhaps the most liberated from it all. He doesn't get handcuffed to any set ideology. Instead attacking this, attacking that. Supporting this, supporting that. Often conflicting, but that's okay. Never the distrust of motive with him. There is apparently none. Er.... except when it comes to France. Heh.

Martlet and his ilk... pure party-line regurgitation.

MT, always seemingly to fall just shy of the full investment into his own beliefs or opinions. Not a knock - that's a good thing.

All of the above is open to debate, of course, obviously. Just some notes dashed off to say that people come at politics through a variety of angles. And they all join together to form the political debate on this ubb. I haven't examined my own role in this, nor my compulsion to participate in the way that I do. I definitely will.

Whenever (and there's a lot of whatever) I hear words to the effect of "But you're Canadian, what can you do about it?" the immediate reaction in my mind is "But you're Oregonian (or whatever), what can you do about it?" Listen, the cold hard fact is that basically none of us can, or are doing, a damn thing about it. But we're drawn to the same thing anyways. The question is why?

So this thread is open ended. It is not about left or right. It's about giving a damn in the first place. Why we do it. Whatever.

(How's this, Toad? God knows I tried....)

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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2005, 10:22:06 PM »
You said "ilk".

Offline Nash

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2005, 10:24:12 PM »
I did indeed. :)

Offline Lizking

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2005, 10:25:05 PM »
Don't forget yourself, Nash:  Willing to throw out an interesting thought, but reluctant to pursue a discussion of your topic.

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2005, 10:29:26 PM »
I'm not forgetting myself. It's just that I've never analyzed it. But hey, here we are.

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2005, 10:32:17 PM »
It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man.   -Jack Handy
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2005, 10:32:28 PM »
er... were you suggesting that I ignored any inference that VOR was just trying to make? If so, I thought he was making a joke or something. What did I miss?

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2005, 10:38:50 PM »
I'd like to see a nude opera, because when they hit those high notes, I bet you can really see it in those genitals.    -Jack Handy
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2005, 10:39:01 PM »
Talking Politics is like boobies.

Sometimes hung up; eventually sags. What catches yer attention is often not 'real'. Sometimes looks better cloaked, always surprises when unvield. Can often tell the temperature by the reaction.. often better viewed from afar.

And if you can touch it, it's real.
The price of Freedom is the willingness to do sudden battle, anywhere, any time and with utter recklessness...

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Offline Lizking

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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2005, 10:40:30 PM »
Here is my Ms. Lucy Analysis:

You fancy yourself Neo, but after having tried the red pill, you have decided that the blue one is your destiny, and that
hurts your feelings.

5 Cents, Please.

Offline DiabloTX

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« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2005, 10:41:11 PM »
If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did."  -Jack Handy
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2005, 10:50:41 PM »
You're obviously feeling left out, Liz. But the particular motivation of particular people here wasn't really my point. It was just to ilustrate the spectrum. But just for you...

Liz: Enjoys intellectual debate and the conflict that comes with it. Is of a political bent only so far as it provides that debate. Not versed in the details that make up that debate, but only concerned that there is debate. Not disengenous about it, not deceptive, and a relatively strong advocate for whatever position he submits.

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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2005, 10:55:46 PM »
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Originally posted by Lizking
Don't forget yourself, Nash:  Willing to throw out an interesting thought, but reluctant to pursue a discussion of your topic.


In Nash's defense, it's difficult to pursue any discussion around here. Between the non sequitur and straw man arguments, most threads are pulled off tangent.

I'll freely admit that I'm guilty of throwing a grenade into a discussion just to see it change course.
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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2005, 10:56:15 PM »
You hit it perfectly.  I will add the caveat that even though I advocate an issue strongly, I can change my mind.  Fortunately, I am always right....

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2005, 10:58:01 PM »
What you fail to mention is that no matter what facts are presented they tend to not deter opinion from either side.  

And the vicious cycle continues ad nauseum...
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