Old and Busted: Federal Republic, New Hotness: Theocracy

[Sandman]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8923.htm

05/18/05 "Vermont Guardian"

WASHINGTON — Conservatives balk at accusations that the current Congress and the Bush administration are intent on turning the United States into a theocracy. Yet, a bill sponsored by 28 members of the U.S. House and Senate looks like a move in that direction.

According to the text of the bill, the proposed Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 would remove the Supreme Court's jurisdiction over "any matter to the extent that relief is sought against an entity of Federal, State, or local government, or against an officer or agent of Federal, State, or local government (whether or not acting in official or personal capacity), concerning that entity's, officer's, or agent's acknowledgment of God as the sovereign source of law, liberty, or government."

Commenting on the general trend, Bill Moyers noted in a March article for the New York Review of Books that the religious right backs nearly half the members of Congress. "Forty-five senators and 186 members of the 108th Congress earned 80 to 100 percent approval ratings from the most influential Christian Right advocacy groups," he noted.

If passed, the bill also would limit the ability of judges to interpret the Constitution if it involved "any constitution, law, administrative rule, Executive order, directive, policy, judicial decision, or any other action of any foreign state or international organization or agency, other than English constitutional and common law up to the time of the adoption of the Constitution of the United States."

Judges who fail to comply could be impeached or prosecuted.

Project Censored award-winning journalist W. David Kubiak charges that the bill would divorce U.S. jurisprudence from "our hard-won secular history and international norms." The Conservative Caucus has called it an important step that would prevent the U.S. Supreme Court from weighing in on "the acknowledgement of God (as in the Roy Moore 10 Commandments issue); and it also restricts federal courts from recognizing the laws of foreign countries and international law [e.g., against torture, global warming, unjust wars, etc.] as the supreme law of our land."

Thus far, the mainstream media has ignored the legislation. A May 16 search of Google News turned up no coverage, despite the fact that the office of lead sponsor Sen. Richard Shelby, R-AL, told Kubiak last week, "We have the votes for passage."

Copyright: Vermont Guardian.

Constitution Restoration Act of 2005 (Introduced in Senate)

[Hangtime]

Fosterites.

Time to kick the hippies outta the bomb shelters.

[Toad]

Why the heck would we want to stick with our old "English Law" Constitutional basis when we can swap to whatever is trendy this month in the elite world international lawyer circles?

Sheesh.

[Toad]

I'll tell ya what I REALLY worry about...

four confirmed incidents in which U.S. personnel at the base mishandled the Quran, including guards kicking a detainee's Quran; a guard's urine "splashed" a detainee and his holy book after coming through an air vent; and guards got in a water balloon fight that resulted in two detainees' Qurans getting wet.

Mein Cod! The HORROR! Water balloon water ON A QURANNNNNNNNNN!!! Arggh!

Give me a good clean holy beheading of a total innocent or a good car-bombing of a funeral any day.

After all, there is no greater crime on all the earth than an Infidel disrespecting the Quran.

The Hood report cited three separate incidents in which detainees tried to flush the Quran down the toilet.

In one incident, on February 23, 2004, the report said a guard saw a "detainee place two Qurans in his toilet and state he no longer cared about the Quran or his religion.

Five minutes later, after the detainee retrieved the Qurans, he ripped several pages out of one Quran and threw the pages on the floor. Then, he placed both Qurans on the sink."

Another time, on January 19, 2005, a detainee "tore up his Quran and tried to flush it down the toilet. Four guards witnessed the incident," the report said.

The report also cited 12 other incidents by detainees, including one who used his Quran as a pillow, another who urinated on his holy book and several who ripped pages from the Quran.

Well, OK... no greater crime except maybe a Muslim disrespecting his holy book.


Gotta love those "fast breaking stories". Where's Paul Harvey when you need him at the editor's desk?

[bunch]

Under the new law, a judge couldn't prevent me from claiming that the sky is falling?

[Sandman]

Pick your symbol... One one side, the Quran and on the other, the U.S. flag. Plenty of people in both camps that get their panties all up in a bunch if you take a piss on one of 'em.

[JB88]

wow.  you boys sure know how to dodge an issue.

we keep walking down this path and history is going to quickly forget that we went to the moon...much the same as most have with regards to ancient arabia and its advances in science and mathematics.

gee.  can't wait for that party.

[Hangtime]

hollywood needs to work on the concept.

"Piss on THIS!"

Coming to Fox this fall.

[Toad]

Oh, yes indeedy. It's exactly the same.

When someone, somewhere disrespects the American flag we riot and kill.

Newsweek May 23 issue - By the end of the week, the rioting had spread from Afghanistan throughout much of the Muslim world, from Gaza to Indonesia. Mobs shouting "Protect our Holy Book!" burned down government buildings and ransacked the offices of relief organizations in several Afghan provinces. The violence cost at least 15 lives, injured scores of people and sent a shudder through Washington, where officials worried about the stability of moderate regimes in the region.

[Toad]

Originally posted by JB88
history is going to quickly forget that we went to the moon...

Yep, history might forget that.

I seriously doubt history will forget this:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Which is why it is laughable that the heartfelt emotion-du-jour of other world entities should ever be considered as supplanting the basis of our nation and government.

[JB88]

again.  nice dodge of the issue.

guy #1 - congress is pissing on the constitution.

guy #2 - yah, but hey, they are so sensative about us pissing on the koran.

guy #1 - you dont get it do you?

guy #2 - ugh.  hey somebody pass me the remote, i hear that hannity is going to call
bush an earthly god head.

[Toad]

Your #1 is an opinion, unsupported in anyway by any of your posts in this thread.

Your #2 illustrates how the emotion-du-jour is simply silly.

Your #3 is another assumption, again totally unsupported. It's quite possible that we all "get it" but don't value it like you do because it's not demonstrably correct (at best).

Your #4 is the typical sarcasm directed towards those that don't agree with you.

[JB88]

ya.  that's what they usually say...what they have been saying for a looooong time.  

read some history brother.

please.

[Toad]

Yeah...never thought of that... I usually burn books.

[Toad, with a minor in US/World history]


Tell you what... I'll read even more history and you try supporting an argument for the first time.

Ta.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Toad
Yeah...never thought of that... I usually burn books.

[Toad, with a minor in US/World history]


Tell you what... I'll read even more history and you try supporting an argument for the first time.

Ta.

which arguement?  i'll support it.

a minor?  woooooooo....that's almost like being a big bad poly sci major.

neato.