Author Topic: New Perk-Point Plane-Type Assignment Suggestions: (Read 1780 times)

Redd · « **Reply #15 on:** June 07, 2005, 10:21:26 PM »

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Originally posted by JB73

[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]

A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]

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lol No perks for the G10 and D9 .....oh wait , you fly them don't you

AKFokerFoder+ · « **Reply #16 on:** June 07, 2005, 10:42:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
* Eeeeeeeehht! *

Wrong.

There is no such things as truth. All "truth" is already self centered. Every opinion always meets opposition, and every change will always disgruntle someone else. We all "dictate" as we see fit. The only question is how many people can one pursuade.

Truth is not self centered; it is reality centered.

In order for truth to be truth, it must be based in reality, all science depends on it.

No you say? Then go to the top of a tall building. Step off. The truth is you will fall at 32 feet per second per second until you hit the ground. If you don't believe me try it. If you don't fall, then come back and tell me that gravity isn't true, if it is true, then we won't get a reply from you on the BBS.

The truth is that Aces High is a online multiplayer dungeon, and it is of the first person shooter genre. My statement is imperical, it is based in reality. If you don't know what a multiplayer dungeon, or a first person shooter is, check it out

I don't try to dictate anything. I am just pointing out that HT is the god of this universe, or perhaps more correctly the dungeon master. Both have the same effect. He decides how we will play the game and what the game will be. If he choses wisely, AH will be around a long time. Not because it is "realistic," but because it is immersive and enjoyable to those who play it.

I also pointed out that if you really want to enjoy Aces High, then enjoy it as it is, and you will have a lot more fun.

And that is Truth.

Schutt · « **Reply #17 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:08:10 AM »

I would go with JB73 s list. Formating is done using the >>>code<<< tag.

SFCHONDO · « **Reply #18 on:** June 08, 2005, 02:34:51 AM »

I like JB73's list. I would make the C-Hog 10 -15 perks as it is now. I fly it alot too, I believe it's a reasonable amount to pay to fly it. If I lose a few I just up a mossy, P40, 205 or something and make those perks back up in a sortie. I would like the LA7 the same as the C-Hog. I would add the G-10 and D9 at 5 perks. The rest I like. Main thing is perk the LA7. I bet I hear at least 50 times a night people wanting the LA7 perked. Not neccessarly due to it uberness, but do to every where ya look 3-4 out of 5 planes is a LALA. Just my opion.

TrueKill · « **Reply #19 on:** June 08, 2005, 04:09:43 AM »

One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.

Redd · « **Reply #20 on:** June 08, 2005, 06:10:27 AM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.

People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y , get pissed off when a Lala catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .

Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.

but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes ?

Kev367th · « **Reply #21 on:** June 08, 2005, 06:52:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Redd
People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y , get pissed off when a Lala catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .

Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.

but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes ?

I believe they are Redd.
Also look how the one of the best planes for getting both of them the Spit 14 is still perked ridiculously high at 30 allegedly for speed and climb.
Yet for instance a plane perked for speed, climb and acceleraiton (LA7 ) is only 5.
Just another slanted list based on what the guy flies.
Interesting way to try it would be to say speed=3 perks, guns=2 perks etc. Set a min speed over which planes are perked, min guns.
Dunno just think it's pointless anyway, nothing is gonna happen, HT is stuck in his current system

straffo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 08, 2005, 07:00:30 AM »

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Originally posted by TrueKill
One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.

190 = good runner + roll rate + good gun package
109 = good runner + good climber + 2 good gun packages

With DT range is all but certainly not average.

Howitzer · « **Reply #23 on:** June 08, 2005, 08:57:10 AM »

I like JB73s list, but there are only a couple changes: I wouldn't perk the N1k as it is spit bait in most cases. I know it has 900 rounds of ammo, but when its pieces come raining down it doesn't much matter how much ammo the pilot (who's now on fire) had left.

Also, the 152 shouldn't have a perk value in my opinion. That plane should have an eny of about 30-35. The 30mm is nice and all but that thing is a cow.

I am in disagreement with you guys that say the g10 and dora should be perked. Sure, the dora can run, but it can be handled fairly easily. And the G10 compresses at 450, which means it isn't going to run down a 51 or a tiffy in a dive without lawndarting. It also doesn't have the turn rate that the la7 has. There are only a handful of folks (most of them start with the letters JB) who really enjoy the G10 and fly it like it is supposed to be flown. It has an ENY of 20... not perk deserving IMO.

Kev367th · « **Reply #24 on:** June 08, 2005, 09:53:34 AM »

Try basing perks values along the lines of

Year made
1942 and earlier = 0
1943 - 1
1944 - 2
1945 - 3

Speed
350 - 360 = 1
361 - 370 = 2
371 - 380 = 3
381 - 390 = 4
391 and above = 5

Guns
4x20mm = 3
2X20mm = 2
30mm = 1

Numbers made
1000+ = 0
751 - 999 = 1
501 - 750 = 2
251 - 749 = 3
101 - 250 = 4
<100 = 5

Make them cumulative, so you add up the perks for each category.
N.B. the values and sub categories are only a quick off the top of my head list. I'm sure people can expand or come up with different or better stuff (esp in the guns category). I would suggest each category (apart from prob date) goes from 0-5.
At least with a system like this, perk values aren't arbitrarily given to a plane.

JB73 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 08, 2005, 11:13:32 AM »

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Originally posted by eskimo2
Good list,
But how did you get you columns so perfect?

eskimo

using the

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kind of taking tab deliminated text from notepad, and letting it show properly here



on topic of the 190D9 being perked or not....

yes it is fast, but it can almots be out-turned by a lancaster. also if i perk the 190d i have to perk the p51D and that will NEVER happen.

speed is all it has going for it and nothing in my list is perked because of speed alone.

the G10 (K14)... i struggled over that, and came to the conclusion that i would PO a bunch of squaddies if i did LOL : )

notice the most of the prop planes perked really low, and i personally thought i'd have no problem spending those few perks.

what it would do is make people hesitste upping them from a capped field. no more suicide guns blazing HO to get to the goon. kamakazi bombing is not modeled in game, but i see no difference in the lone la7 upping to "get the goon"

oh well it was just my idea.

Phaser11 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 08, 2005, 12:21:01 PM »

B-29 50
F-80 100
F-86 200
MIG-15 200
Mig-17 250

straffo · « **Reply #27 on:** June 08, 2005, 12:35:27 PM »

MIG-15 should be at 225 IMO.

killnu · « **Reply #28 on:** June 08, 2005, 01:38:18 PM »

Model Perk Cost Reason

all except P38s 5-200 they not pretty

Rebel · « **Reply #29 on:** June 08, 2005, 01:50:13 PM »

I think the perks have to do mostly with the ease at which one can get kills in a plane.

The other reason is rarity/invulnerability.

Tigers are perked because they're basically invulnerable and can kill anything out to 3 miles

Perking the Mustang I think would not be neccesary, as those who fly it tend to fly it smart, and their the kind of folk with the patience required to fly it. When the average arena guy wants speed, he grabs an LA-7.

Speaking of which, the LA-7 should be perked like the CHog. I think that would cut down on the abuse of the plane as a disposable super cannon speed machine, and make people want to survive in it.

Jets of course need to be perked.

The -4 hawg....I dunno. Is it's performance that spectacular? need more info.

More to come...

reb