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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2005, 01:51:55 PM »
Why did the P38J make the list but not the -L?

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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2005, 02:08:26 PM »
Model ….. Perk Cost
A6M2 …..0
A6M5b …..0    
Ar 234 …..30 Speeds about all its got.
Bf 109E-4 …..0
Bf 109F-4 ….. 0
Bf 109G-10 ….. 5  Used heavily, good guns/speed
Bf 109G-2 ….. 0
Bf 109G-6 ….. 0
Bf 110C-4b ….. 0
Bf 110G-2 ….. 0
C.202 ….. 0
C.205 ….. 0
F4F-4 ….. 0
F4U-1 ….. 0
F4U-1C ….. 15 Guns, other then that its not THAT great.
F4U-1D ….. 0
F4U-4 ….. 25 Good speed, accel.
F6F-5 ….. 0
FM2 ….. 0
Fw 190A-5 …..0
Fw 190A-8 ….. 0
Fw 190D-9 ….. 5 used heavily, good speed, etc
Fw 190F-8 ….. 0
Hurricane IIC …..0
Hurricane IID ….. 0
Hurricane Mk I ….. 0
Il-2 ….. 0
Ki-61 …..0
Ki-84-Ia …..0
La-5FN ….. 0
La-7 ….. 10 used entirely to much, good speed/turn and climb
Me 163B …..40 awesome speed/guns, severely limited range
Me 262 ….. 200 this explains itself.
Mosquito Mk VI …..0
N1K2 ….. 5 guns/turn... used alot
Ostwind ….. 0
P-38G ….. 0
P-38J ….. 0
P-38L ….. 0
P-40B ….. 0
P-40E ….. 0
P-47D-11 …..0
P-47-D25 ….. 0
P-47-D30 ….. 0
P-51B ….. 0
P-51D …..5 range,speed and its used alot
SeaFire ….. 0
Spitfire Mk I …..0
Spitfire Mk IX ….. 5 turn/ used alot
Spitfire Mk XIV ….. 15 IMHO, no better in the MA then 51D or 190D, the attributes/ usage itd see with no perk give it the 15 perks.
Spitfire V ….. 0
Ta 152H ….. 15 same as spit 14.
Tempest ….. 50 guns/speed
Tiger I ….. 35 main gun/armor. So many GV drivers have the perks stored up they can up these like nothin. New people to the game need more of a chance to work up the pts to get one.
Typhoon IB …..0
Yak-9T ….. 0
Yak-9U …..0

B-24...7     Both of these, just so we have some more to use bomber perks on. Out of the bombers, their speed/ord load, 5-7 perks is ok i think.
B-17...5

i sorta did my list based on performance/usage. I.E

La7, 51D, 190D are all used enough and their performance great enough, they shuold be perkd some. Perking these planes wont do anything in the overall view of it IMHO.

If a 51D driver or 190D driver wants some perks to fly their plane. All hes gotta do it hop in a 51B or 190A-8/5 for afew sorties and hes got his perks in general. But it should somewhat limit seeing these planes SO much.

The Ta-152 and Spit14 are entirely over perkd.

The reason i dont think you can base perks off of the year/numbers created is because of planes like these. Ta-152 perfect example. Created later in the war, not as high numbers. But in the MA its just on par probably not even with the 51Ds etc.

I think you have to perk based on actual MA conditions, like many have said, this is a game and is nothing like actual ww2.

I know some of the costs may seem low. But for some of these perk planes, it needs to be lower. Spit14, Ta-152, F4u-4, not alota people wana fly these planes because for their perk cost, the performance sucks. Who wants to spend 50 perks for an F4U-4, when a 51D thats, in game standards, just as good or better can risk blowing you away at no cost.

This is all off the top of the head. Sorry for spelling or grammer mistakes.
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2005, 02:19:33 PM »
My post will be lost in this thread...but

Why doesn't the low ENY planes get perked before going to unavailable.  So a 7 ENY plane would go to 10 or 15 perk points to keep using it, then if numbers continue to get skewed, it goes unavailable.

Just a suggestion.

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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2005, 02:27:00 PM »
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Why did the P38J make the list but not the -L?


My list isn’t more valid than anyone else’s.  I perked the P-38J because it has a K/D of 1.3 and the P-38L only has a K/D of  0.7.  Perhaps the L is used more for suicide jabo runs and they should be the same… I don’t know.  That is a huge difference in K/D between two models that are well used though; it suggests that one is pretty good and the other kind of sucks.

K/D is an important indicator.
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Model Kills
Panzer IV H 52726
La-7 33050
N1K2 28320
Ship Gunner 28310
Spitfire V 23721
Typhoon IB 23135
Ostwind 22375
P-51D 16956
Tiger I 16640
Spitfire Mk IX 16532
Bf 109G-10 15709
Bf 110G-2 15223
SeaFire 14905
Fw 190D-9 13122
P-38L 9816
B-24J 9040
Il-2 8848
F4U-1C 8625
Hurricane IIC 8473
F4U-1D 8082
F6F-5 7990
P-38J 7982
Fw 190A-8 7270
M-16 7229
C.205 6568
Tempest 5800
A6M5b 5433
Bf 109F-4 5388
Lancaster III 5307
P-47-D30 5208
Ki-84-Ia 5107
La-5FN 4689
PT Boat 4567
Fw 190A-5 4144
Yak-9U 4059
B-26B 3981
B-17G 3855
Me 262 3508
Mosquito 3353
F4U-1 3139
Bf 109G-6 3108
A-20G 2969
T-34 2188
Bf 109G-2 2156
Chute 2017
P-47-D25 2012
P-38G 1897
P-47D-11 1673
FM2 1572
M-3 1498
P-51B 1462
F4U-4 1440
Me 163B 1319
Fw 190F-8 1222
M-8 1201
Ju 88 1135
Yak-9T 1105
Ki-61 1067
Gunner 870
P-40E 776
LVTA2 772
LVTA4 702
Hurricane IID 616
A6M2 596
Ki-67 594
F4F-4 592
Spit Mk XIV 526
Ta 152H 415
TBM-3 395
C.202 329
Spitfire Mk I 288
C-47A 287
Bf 110C-4b 281
P-40B 259
Ju 87D-3 253
Bf 109E-4 243
Hurricane Mk I 240
Ar 234 174
SBD-5 137
D3A1 134
Boston III 81
B5N2 72


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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2005, 04:07:30 PM »
eskimo learned COAD : )


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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2005, 04:25:40 PM »
Yes, I think 1943 would be a better setting, tough:

A6M2
A6M5b
Ar 234B 40 Jet, very high speed
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10 10 1944 superfighter
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
C.202
C.205
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1C 10 1945 fighter, great gun/ammo package
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5 10 1944 superfigher/bomber
FM2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9 10 1944 superfighter
Fw 190F-8
Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Hurricane Mk I
Il-2
Ki-61
Ki-84-Ia 10 1944 superfighter
La-5FN
La-7 20 1944/45 ultrafighter
Me 163B 40 very fast, very high climb
Me 262 150 very fast, great guns
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2 10 1945 superfighter
Ostwind
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L 10 1944 superfighter
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47-D25
P-47-D30 10 1944 superfighter/bomber
P-51B
P-51D 10 1944 superfighter
SeaFire
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV 10 1944 superfighter
Spitfire V
Ta 152H 10 1945 superfighter
Tempest 30 1944 ultrafighter
Tiger I 40 gun and armor
Typhoon IB 10 1944 superfighter/bomber
Yak-9T
Yak-9U 10 1944 superfighter
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2005, 04:55:40 PM »
Model ….. Perk Cost
A6M2 …..0
A6M5b …..0
Ar 234 …..50
Bf 109E-4 …..0
Bf 109F-4 …..0
Bf 109G-10 …..5
Bf 109G-2 …..0
Bf 109G-6 …..0
Bf 110C-4b …..0
Bf 110G-2 …..0
C.202 …..0
C.205 …..0
F4F-4 …..0
F4U-1 …..0
F4U-1C …..5
F4U-1D …..0
F4U-4 …..0
F6F-5 …..0
FM2 …..0
Fw 190A-5 …..0
Fw 190A-8 …..0
Fw 190D-9 …..0
Fw 190F-8 …..0
Hurricane IIC …..5
Hurricane IID …..0
Hurricane Mk I …..0
Il-2 …..0
Ki-61 …..0
Ki-84-Ia …..0
La-5FN …..100
La-7 …..150
Me 163B …..50
Me 262 …..150
Mosquito Mk VI …..0
N1K2 …..5
Ostwind …..0
P-38G …..0
P-38J …..0
P-38L …..0
P-40B …..0
P-40E …..0
P-47D-11 …..0
P-47-D25 …..0
P-47-D30 …..0
P-51B …..0
P-51D …..5
SeaFire …..0
Spitfire Mk I …..0
Spitfire Mk IX …..0
Spitfire Mk XIV …..5
Spitfire V …..0
Ta 152H …..0
Tempest …..10
Tiger I …..25
Typhoon IB …..0
Yak-9T …..0
Yak-9U …..0

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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2005, 05:15:09 PM »
Hey JB73, i dont agree with you JB guys very much, but I completely support your perkies choice and you have my vote. (S)

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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2005, 05:22:54 PM »
Although I think that they are very cool planes, I don’t fly the P-38s and P-47s much.  Can someone explain what makes some models so much better?  Why does the P-38J have nearly double the K/D of the L?   Why does the P-47D-11 have such a better K/D than the other P-47s?

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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2005, 05:51:29 PM »
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Although I think that they are very cool planes, I don’t fly the P-38s and P-47s much.  Can someone explain what makes some models so much better?  Why does the P-38J have nearly double the K/D of the L?   Why does the P-47D-11 have such a better K/D than the other P-47s?

eskimo

I would guess that the P-38L and P-47D-40 are being used for jabo work by average people taking the best tool for the job a lot whereas the P-38G, P-38J and P-47D-11 are being used for air-to-air by skilled fans of those aircraft.
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2005, 06:03:56 PM »
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I would guess that the P-38L and P-47D-40 are being used for jabo work by average people taking the best tool for the job a lot whereas the P-38G, P-38J and P-47D-11 are being used for air-to-air by skilled fans of those aircraft.


You would be correct. I usually only drag out the L when I'm carrying ordinance, because only the L has the good rockets AND dive flaps. I don't fly the G because I know I'm simply not good enough. Jabo work is hazardous, especially if you are set on making the attack enough to keep your ordinance at almost all costs. I use the J as a pure fighter. The only P-47 I fly is the D-40. The razorback I just can't see out of.

I'd say the big reason for the K/D ratio of the P-38J is that guys like KillnU, Pellik, Murdr, and other really good sticks are flying it a lot more than the L. The G and J make good perk farmers as well.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2005, 06:20:03 PM »
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the big reason for the K/D ratio of the P-38J is that guys like KillnU, Pellik, Murdr, and other really good sticks are flying it a lot more than the L. The G and J make good perk farmers as well.


although im flattered, i dont fly the J much anymore at all.  dont think i upped one this tour.  im a G guy all the way.  L is only for jabo.  J just collects dust for me.    
I know pellik is a big J fan, must be his fault.  hehe
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2005, 06:20:22 PM »
The P-38L doesn't really qualify as a late war (1944) superfighter.
As a fighter, the ONLY advantage the P-38L has over the P-38J we have is dive flaps and boosted ailerons. Otherwise, with regards to performance and firepower it is the same plane. The dive flaps don't do anyone much good in a fight, and the boosted ailerons are only an advantage at speeds over 275MPH, the fight never stays there for long. IF the P-38L had the power Lockheed rated it for, I'd say it was a perk candidate. However, the planes are equal in power, and the L is SUPPOSED to be heavier.
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2005, 06:42:17 PM »
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People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y ,  get pissed off when a Lala  catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .

Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.


but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes  ?



They are avg. speed because there are many planes that can run them down. Plus anyone who says the G10 has a good gunpackage dont fly it. It has a bad gunpackage unless you put the gondies on then the plane is slower, slower turn, and slower roll. LA7 is the uberest plane ever it can out turn and out run the G10 and dora.

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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2005, 06:46:54 PM »
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The P-38L doesn't really qualify as a late war (1944) superfighter.
As a fighter, the ONLY advantage the P-38L has over the P-38J we have is dive flaps and boosted ailerons. Otherwise, with regards to performance and firepower it is the same plane. The dive flaps don't do anyone much good in a fight, and the boosted ailerons are only an advantage at speeds over 275MPH, the fight never stays there for long. IF the P-38L had the power Lockheed rated it for, I'd say it was a perk candidate. However, the planes are equal in power, and the L is SUPPOSED to be heavier.

Excuses.  The P-38L is decisively better as a multirole platform that most any 1943 fighter.  Frankly I'd like to put the P-38J on the list too, but I didn't think that suggestion would be fair to P-38 fans.

Note that I put the F6F-5 on the list too.

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They are avg. speed because there are many planes that can run them down. Plus anyone who says the G10 has a good gunpackage dont fly it. It has a bad gunpackage unless you put the gondies on then the plane is slower, slower turn, and slower roll. LA7 is the uberest plane ever it can out turn and out run the G10 and dora.

If you think the Bf109G-10 and Fw190D-9 are "average" in speed you're nuts.  If you think "many" fighters can run them down you're simply flat out wrong, unless your personal definition of the word "many" is the same as nearly everybody else's definition of the word "few".
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