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« on: June 07, 2005, 02:04:55 PM »
Suppose that HTC decided that it was time to rework the MA perk points in order to lessen the whining.  What perk values would you assign?
Keep in mind:
* The popularity of the plane. Very popular planes should not be virtually eliminated by per cost; people who like them would get mad.  Perk value should only somewhat lesson the ability to select certain models.
* Uber performance characteristics.  Such as the LA-7s speed & climb, F4U-1Cs 20mm ammo count, Tiger’s Main gun & armor, etc.
* Late war and rare planes.  (ME-163, Ta-152, F4U-4, etc.)
* All around plane performance.  (Spit-V, N1K2, etc.)

Below are my recommendations.  I haven’t flown the MA enough in the past couple of years to believe that my perk point assignments are ideal.  I’d like to hear from some of you who have spent a lot of time in the MA lately.  Perhaps if there is enough polite discussion on this topic, HTC will select one of your suggested lists and make another adjustment.  I do believe that we are due for another change.

All stats from MA Tour 64
(Total arena kills and K/D vary somewhat from tour to tour; numbers are approximate.
List includes all fighters, Tiger, Ostwind & Ar-234)


Model   …..   Kills   …..   Kills / Deaths + 1   …..   Perk Cost
Me 262   …..   3508   …..   5.0402   …..   200
Me 163B   …..   1319   …..   4.2548   …..   150
Tiger I   …..   16640   …..   5.8612   …..   75
Tempest   …..   5800   …..   6.0797   …..   75
Ar 234   …..   174   …..   0.3964   …..   60
F4U-4   …..   1440   …..   3.4123   …..   35
Ta 152H   …..   415   …..   1.7585   …..   30
Spitfire Mk XIV   …..   526   …..   1.3627   …..   25
F4U-1C   …..   8625   …..   2.3741   …..   20
La-7   …..   33050   …..   1.2866   …..   15
Typhoon IB   …..   23135   …..   1.5624   …..   12
Bf 109G-10   …..   15709   …..   1.4717   …..   8
Fw 190D-9   …..   13122   …..   1.4058   …..   8
N1K2   …..   28320   …..   1.2008   …..   6
Spitfire V   …..   23721   …..   1.0023   …..   6
Ostwind   …..   22375   …..   1.8469   …..   6
P-51D   …..   16956   …..   0.8023   …..   4
Spitfire Mk IX   …..   16532   …..   0.9384   …..   4
SeaFire   …..   14905   …..   1.0225   …..   4
Bf 109F-4   …..   5388   …..   1.3937   …..   4
Ki-84-Ia   …..   5107   …..   1.3183   …..   4
Fw 190A-5   …..   4144   …..   1.3686   …..   4
P-38J   …..   7982   …..   1.3079   …..   3
Bf 110G-2   …..   15223   …..   0.8154   …..   2
Fw 190A-8   …..   7270   …..   1.2483   …..   2
C.205   …..   6568   …..   1.1800   …..   2
P-47D-11   …..   1673   …..   1.3646   …..   2

Copy and paste the list below, add your own perk values:

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Model   …..   Perk Cost
A6M2   …..   
A6M5b   …..   
Ar 234   …..   
Bf 109E-4   …..   
Bf 109F-4   …..   
Bf 109G-10   …..   
Bf 109G-2   …..   
Bf 109G-6   …..   
Bf 110C-4b   …..   
Bf 110G-2   …..   
C.202   …..   
C.205   …..   
F4F-4   …..   
F4U-1   …..   
F4U-1C   …..   
F4U-1D   …..   
F4U-4   …..   
F6F-5   …..   
FM2   …..   
Fw 190A-5   …..   
Fw 190A-8   …..   
Fw 190D-9   …..   
Fw 190F-8   …..   
Hurricane IIC   …..   
Hurricane IID   …..   
Hurricane Mk I   …..   
Il-2   …..   
Ki-61   …..   
Ki-84-Ia   …..   
La-5FN   …..   
La-7   …..   
Me 163B   …..   
Me 262   …..   
Mosquito Mk VI   …..   
N1K2   …..   
Ostwind   …..   
P-38G   …..   
P-38J   …..   
P-38L   …..   
P-40B   …..   
P-40E   …..   
P-47D-11   …..   
P-47-D25   …..   
P-47-D30   …..   
P-51B   …..   
P-51D   …..   
SeaFire   …..   
Spitfire Mk I   …..   
Spitfire Mk IX   …..   
Spitfire Mk XIV   …..   
Spitfire V   …..   
Ta 152H   …..   
Tempest   …..   
Tiger I   …..   
Typhoon IB   …..   
Yak-9T   …..   
Yak-9U   …..

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2005, 03:10:19 PM »
Model ….. Perk Cost
A6M2 ….. 0
A6M5b ….. 0
Ar 234 ….. 50
Bf 109E-4 ….. 0
Bf 109F-4 ….. 0
Bf 109G-10 ….. 0
Bf 109G-2 ….. 0
Bf 109G-6 ….. 0
Bf 110C-4b ….. 0
Bf 110G-2 ….. 0
C.202 ….. 0
C.205 ….. 0
F4F-4 ….. 0
F4U-1 ….. 0
F4U-1C ….. 0
F4U-1D ….. 0
F4U-4 ….. 0
F6F-5 ….. 0
FM2 ….. 0
Fw 190A-5 ….. 0
Fw 190A-8 ….. 0
Fw 190D-9 ….. 0
Fw 190F-8 ….. 0
Hurricane IIC ….. 0
Hurricane IID ….. 0
Hurricane Mk I ….. 0
Il-2 ….. 0
Ki-61 …..0
Ki-84-Ia ….. 0
La-5FN ….. 0
La-7 ….. 0
Me 163B ….. 100
Me 262 ….. 200
Mosquito Mk VI ….. 0
N1K2 ….. 0
Ostwind ….. 0
P-38G ….. 0
P-38J ….. 0
P-38L ….. 0
P-40B ….. 0
P-40E ….. 0
P-47D-11 ….. 0
P-47-D25 ….. 0
P-47-D30 ….. 0
P-51B ….. 0
P-51D ….. 0
SeaFire ….. 0
Spitfire Mk I ….. 0
Spitfire Mk IX ….. 0
Spitfire Mk XIV ….. 0
Spitfire V ….. 0
Ta 152H ….. 0
Tempest ….. 50
Tiger I ….. 50
Typhoon IB ….. 0
Yak-9T ….. 0
Yak-9U ….. 0

Oops ... thanks Karnak
« Last Edit: June 07, 2005, 03:29:09 PM by SlapShot »
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2005, 03:17:30 PM »
SlapShot,

I see where you are going, but why the free Ar234?  Seems out of place.
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2005, 03:19:44 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2005, 03:32:11 PM »
Appreciate the effort but -

When a Spit V costs more than a Pony it's a farce, thats about as polite as I can put it.

Basically I'd base the perk cost on its ENY value, after all that is supposed to be a measure of how 'good' it is.

So if a 262 is 200 @ ENY 5 thats 40 perks per ENY

So going from that
ENY 5 =200
ENY 6 = 160
ENY 7 =120
ENY 8 = 80
ENY 9 = 40
ENY 10 and above = FREE

Obviously with that system aircraft ENY's would need to be adjusted.

All pie in the sky anyway, contrary to you I don't believe any change is on the way, or nothing meaningful anyway. I believe the last change was some time ago and all that was was the lowering of the LA7 ENY value.
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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2005, 03:58:28 PM »
What SlapShot said:aok

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2005, 04:00:31 PM »
Be careful what you ask for, as you just might get it :(


The perk system is so screwed up as it is.  Just leave it alone.  Anything we can suggest will in all probability just make things worse.

Too many people whined about planes, and we ended up perking the C Hog.  And from then on  it just went down hill.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2005, 04:26:34 PM »
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and we ended up perking the C Hog.

....and that was a very good thing.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2005, 06:47:31 PM »
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....and that was a very good thing.


Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.  ;)

Those who believe that they have the right to make others behave as they dictate walk far from the path of truth.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2005, 07:16:39 PM »
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Those who believe that they have the right to make others behave as they dictate walk far from the path of truth.


 Except this ain't no democracy.

 The creators of the game agreed that it was ruining arena balance - 20% of all kills in the arena achieved by a single plane type. Thus, in the interest of all, they dictated it should be perked, and so it has been done.

 So far, I'm loving it.

 Cheap perks work.

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 07:51:05 PM »

[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]

A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]

« Last Edit: June 07, 2005, 07:55:28 PM by JB73 »
I don't know what to put here yet.

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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2005, 08:43:55 PM »
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Except this ain't no democracy.

 The creators of the game agreed that it was ruining arena balance - 20% of all kills in the arena achieved by a single plane type. Thus, in the interest of all, they dictated it should be perked, and so it has been done.



Exactly!  This is not a democracy; maybe you are not as far from the truth as it would appear.

This is HT’s ballpark, HT's game, he makes the rules, and we only pay to play the game.

If HT wants an uber SpitV, we get an uber SpitV.  If he wants to pork the 190s, we get porked 190’s, if he wants uber 190’s, we get uber 190’s. If he wants to perk the LA7, we get perked LA7’s.  He needs no rhyme or reason to perk or unperk,  I am sure you get the picture. As the creator of Aces High, he is not unlike a god, and his universe answers to him, and a god answers to no one.

If you want to enjoy this game, then you must learn to enjoy it as it is.  If we believe that we can only extract happiness if things are run our way, we are not going to be very happy in this life.   Aces High is what it is, and I will enjoy it as I want too.  

If HT porks and perks the C Hog, I will fly something else.  If we have a ENY system that says I can’t fly a PonyD anytime I want to, then I will fly something else when I want to.   No one forces me to fly, I can just log off.

I can adapt to the game. And it is only a game.  “Realism” in an online combat flight sim is an illusion.  We are not real pilots in a real world.  We are gamers in an online first person shooter that has a WW2 fighter plane theme.  

Only the truth can set you free, all else is illusion and false hood.  In the later we only become enslaved by our self-centeredness.

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2005, 08:48:28 PM »
LOL that lists is sooo biased...

If La-7 should be perked... Guess what... P-51D, Fw-190D-9, Bf-109G-10 should go down along with La-7 too!:aok

Reasons

P-51... long range + ultra hi performance at ALL alts.

109G-10... same as spit XIV - climb + speed + accel, on par with La-7

Fw190D-9... a heavier "variant" of La-7... :D

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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2005, 09:32:22 PM »
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Only the truth can set you free, all else is illusion and false hood. In the later we only become enslaved by our self-centeredness.


* Eeeeeeeehht! *

 Wrong.

 There is no such things as truth. All "truth" is already self centered. Every opinion always meets opposition, and every change will always disgruntle someone else. We all "dictate" as we see fit. The only question is how many people can one pursuade.

 The perks against the Chog was pursuasive enough to HTC in the fact that a certain consensus formed against that plane, and that consensus was backed up by stats. The only people who resisted this change were those who were using Chogs as mainstay planes - whom by the way, were every bit as much "self-centered" as those who who opposed it.  Unfortunately to the Choggers, all the "selves" who opposed perk-free Chogs outnumbered the "selves" that supported perk-free Chogs.

 It's basically the same thing in this case.

 It's a clash of interests.  Certain planes are claimed to be disruptive to arena balance. Some people will oppose the claim, others will support it.

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« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2005, 10:08:30 PM »
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Originally posted by JB73

[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]

A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]

[/B]


Good list,
But how did you get you columns so perfect?

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