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« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2005, 08:36:49 PM »
Not Furball... I don't like him.


He smells funny...and... I don't like him.




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« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2005, 08:41:38 PM »
Nilsen is a bad idea.  I don't want any Eurotrash lefties moderating the boards.


Edit:  I suppose some have become so sensitive that if I don't stand on the hill top and scream "JUST KIDDING!", that I'll be vilified for being a right wing whacko.

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« Reply #92 on: June 15, 2005, 08:49:39 PM »
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Nilsen is a bad idea.  I don't want any Eurotrash lefties moderating the boards.


Edit:  I suppose some have become so sensitive that if I don't stand on the hill top and scream "JUST KIDDING!", that I'll be vilified for being a right wing whacko.

:rolleyes:


Someone from Europe has to moderate...they are up earlier than we are..someone has to cover it while we are still asleep....

Oh and thanks Nilsen for the vote of confidence!
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« Reply #93 on: June 15, 2005, 08:54:17 PM »
Lessee.. what would traits of a moderator be?

CONTEXT IS EVERYTHING....

1. Ability to distinguish between animosity and simple ragging (context is everything).

2. Ability to be impartial, tactful, diplomatic, even-handed and accept/tolerate differing points of views even if personally distasteful to the moderator.

3. Ability to identify trolls that are potentially explosive. Not all trolls are bad.

4. Posess both a sense of humor and propriety.

5. Possess a thick skin and not be vengeful/spiteful.

Anything else anyone can add?
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« Reply #94 on: June 15, 2005, 08:57:43 PM »
A moderator is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, Reverent?
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« Reply #95 on: June 15, 2005, 09:07:14 PM »
"A moderator is Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean, Republican, Reverent?"


??  I call FOUL!


In the meantime I nominate King Solomon.

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« Reply #96 on: June 15, 2005, 09:07:20 PM »
I could help MOD.. but some may go no.. he's too young, he's 17..
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« Reply #97 on: June 15, 2005, 09:23:30 PM »
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Originally posted by RTR
I still think the moderators should remain anonymous to all but HTC and the other moderators. We have all seen the "witch hunts" and meltdowns that have happened in the O'club. These people who agree to moderate must have the ability to fly in the game without the fear that they will be hounded for their decisions.

etc etc

RTR


I agree with this view to an extent. Plus from my own experiences certain animosities might be created of they are known.

I've seen this happen with others but I can use myself as an example.

Some years ago I worked in a dept. where everyone was pretty friendly with each other.. all the workers that is.
But I noticed  that on the very rare occasion it happened, as soon as anyone became a supervisor they automatically were viewed almost like an enemy.

That guy everyone thought was a pretty cool dude was suddenly looked at as an .. Anal Orifice shall we say.
I never understood it. Same guy, same personality yet suddenly everyone didnt like him. I never understood it and never bought into it.

Some time later I myself was made supervisor of my area.
Literally within ten minutes of that announcement people whom I'd always had a pretty friendly relationship with suddenly didnt want anything to do with me or viewed me with suspicion as though I might be out to get them.
Was a really weird feeling as these same people not an hour before were the same ones I ate with joked around with and generally hung out with and considered my friends and now I was viewed as an outsider. Killer part is some of these same people were the very ones that told me I should be the one running my area and that I should go for the position.

The only thing that had changed about me was my title and responsibilities. I was still the same person everyone liked before the same person who shared the same gripes as they did and yet now I was different.
Which really sucked because I was finally put in a position where I can actually do something about it then just complain or say how it should be done. I was still on their side.

I know I  personally wouldnt hold any animosity towards whom ever got chosen or view them or treat them any differently then I did before.

But thats just me. And I honestly dont think everyone would follow that line.
And I would truly hate to see any of the names mentioned so far end up like that.

Plus if they are know claims of favoritism and other claims are bound to take place. "oh you let him do that because he is in your squad but you nail me for this"

Or other claims. like "because your a known liberal/conservative you wont let me post that "
Or I'll use Seagoon (sorry Seagoon) as an example.
He squelches a thread and someone is at some point going to say he did it because he is some sort of right wing religious nut forcing his beliefs upon us"

Now that would not be right or fair to Seagoon. who by the way I would trust completely as a mod.

If Mods are known, your just setting them up for all sorts of abuse they neither need nor want.

We dont need to know who the mods are. Nor should we know.
All we need know is they are there.
And there doing voluntarily whats going to amount to a tough and pretty much thankless job from the community

Let them be anonymous but with  a Mod Handle "Mod 1, 2 ,3 etc
then if there are complaints about the mods you can complain about a specific mod.

  Then the Mods can still be just one of the crowd, which is what most of us really want to be anyway.
And when they post under either their regular handle or Mod handle they would still be subject to the same rules & regulations, penalties as everyone else.

As for myself. I'd be willing to do it under those circumstances.
Not for any power trip but because I care about the Oclub, I spend alot of time there anyway(easily a few hours per day) and I too have grown weary of every other thread turning into a personal flamefest.
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« Reply #98 on: June 15, 2005, 09:24:33 PM »
I suggested for some moderators to help unburden Skuzzy some time ago.Any of these guys would be good moderators imho.

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« Reply #99 on: June 15, 2005, 09:30:37 PM »
Good post, Dred. Hadn't thought about it quite like that but it rings true.
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« Reply #100 on: June 15, 2005, 09:38:00 PM »
Steve is a right wing wacko (:)) and RTR is one of the ones I left out. I remember him from AW, very level headed guy. RTR would be a great mod.

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« Reply #101 on: June 15, 2005, 09:40:38 PM »
The mods would and should have c n p scripts , this will maintain there anonymosity. anyone violating the rules , excessive flaming ect should be reviewed by the the mods and htc befor banishment  .  Over at the zone (fighter ace) we could mute and send users to the land of 3 day time outs , they had to reread the rules befor they could come back . it also took a review befor they were banished compleatly .
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« Reply #102 on: June 15, 2005, 09:53:03 PM »
We at HTC will have to further discuss about whether we think anonymous mods would be better or not for this forum.  My preference is not for anonymous mods but HT or Skuzzy may feel the opposite.  My feeling is that if the turnaround of this forum depends on that detail, it ain't going to happen either way.  So, I'd just prefer to keep things in the open and clear.  It makes communication a lot easier.

As far as number of mods, I think the more the merrier provided that each one is good.  One bad mod can undermine the entire group and also create more problems for us to deal with which is against the whole point of this.

I like Toad's initial post of what he thinks is acceptable and what's not and I think people should think about that.  I think there's going to be a controversy over whether religion and politics can be discussed in a civil manner in this forum.  I really don't have any problems with those topics, but I haven't seen where they can be discussed on an intellectual basis here.  Generally, they are posted as flame bait and nobody has the sense to leave that bait untouched.

That is also a big part of the problem here.  The O'club is the Grand Banks of the internet when it comes to trolling.  It doesn't matter how asinine and obvious the troll is, it will get a huge response on this board which then encourages more trolling.  Fighting fire with fire is not an applicable strategy when your house is burning down.

Trolling doesn't happen on boards where trolls are ignored.  I feel like the O'club is a big fishing tournament where people compete to see who can get the largest and most heated response to their posts.

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« Reply #103 on: June 15, 2005, 10:02:31 PM »
the only reason I feel the mods should be anonymous is to keep the flame/personal attack war down to a mininum . they cant single the player out this way .

I'm not shure how the main arena mods are set up because ive never been muted or warned . But it should be along the same type of setup .
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« Reply #104 on: June 15, 2005, 10:11:48 PM »
I think making the Mods anonymous will cause more bickering than if they kept their identity out in the open. Or maybe just as much. But certainly not less.

We're the ones who suggested these people, and I'm all for trusting their judgement. And I'm all for getting their back should someone who feels that they were the victim of some kind of mod abuse decide to go berserk.

Other than that, I really like everything I've been hearing. I really like the suggestions Toad made, and think that a seperate Mod-only forum would help them keep eachother in check and, as Capt. V Hilts wonderfully said, not "drift."

This aint a knock on Skuzzy, because he had an impossible job, but I really think this new route could work out very well.