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Offline Keiler

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Landing fighters elegantly?
« on: June 23, 2005, 02:31:47 PM »
Was just pracrtising landing the FW190A5/A8 as well as te 109s of different flavors.
What I noticed is that both, and particularily the 190 series, are pretty "jumpy" touching down.
Whereas I dont have problems to perform a smooth landing in a jug or twinengines, let alone bombers, I sometimes bump along half the runway before I finally touch down in the aforementioned planes.

Thats what I do:
align to the runway with at least half a klick distance, maybe 200 feet or 300 high.
I cut back until I reach 180 IAS, lower flaps 2 notches.
Lower gear when I drop below 150.
Touching down at about 120.

Even when I touch down at a low vertical lateral, I often start to bounce, and the 190 seems to resonate into a kangaroo which had me break off my landing run...

Dont remember that from AH1,

So, any hints from the pros?

Thanks a lot!
Matt

Offline JB73

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 02:41:44 PM »
there is yet a landing with ym dora that does not bounce a bit.

i have even come in at 90 IAS full flaps, and held it until i did not have enough airspeed to have lift.

i must have been only a foot off the runway, and i still bounced ; (
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Offline Keiler

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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 02:47:16 PM »
JB73!
:D
Man you are my newbie question answerer no1 :D
:aok

Yeah seems like the german engineers forgot to use DAMPERS on their landing gears ;)
at least in AH2.


Ah well.. seems to I have just to practice more. And get a better rig for control.

Cheers!

Offline JB73

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 03:00:53 PM »
lol i just surf the forum very fast.

id say 90% of the time i dont even notice who i am replying to, just read, and see if i have relevant comments.


; )
sir

as far as a "better rig" in my opinion i have the best.

it is a munge of stuff, but together it is great.

i use an x45 throttle, of course the stick itself still needs to be attached. i use it because of the rotary trim controls, and the rudder rocker is for moving my head side to side.

i use a CH fighterstick pro, and i would change the size of it a bit because i dont reach everything well. and i would make the hat button a different shape

i use CH pro pedals for the rudder, and the toe brakes. i would get simped's with toe brakes but i have yet to win the lottery
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Offline Schutt

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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 03:13:24 PM »
120 for touchdown is to fast.

Best way is to flare onto the runway gently at just below stall speed. Fly like you wrote, but in the end at the start of the runway be 5 feet above the ground and cut the throttle, try to keep the plane lvl with pulling the elevator.

When the speed is to low to maintain lvl flight the plane will slowly drop onto the runway, no bounces. Takes some praktice to get right though.

Offline Keiler

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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 03:13:25 PM »
Hmmm CH fighterstick. I had that one for gameport, I liked the functionality.
But it used to spike quite a bit.
Has this improved?

Offline Keiler

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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 03:18:49 PM »
Thanks Schutt!
Will try that.

Offline JB73

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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 03:42:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Schutt
When the speed is to low to maintain lvl flight the plane will slowly drop onto the runway, no bounces. Takes some praktice to get right though.
if you can do it in a 190 consistantly, please please let em knwo LOL


i like the fighterstick... have had it for a year now, and not a single problem other than not being to be able to reach the hat well
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Offline TexMurphy

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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 03:58:43 PM »
*comes in perfectly alligned for a landing*

*pulls up gear*

*belly slides it*

*only breaks prop*

*opens the cannopy*

Where is my beer?

Is that styleish enough for you? ;)

Offline Keiler

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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 04:07:16 PM »
I asked for HELP, not to copy what I ALREADY do :lol

Offline Clifra Jones

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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2005, 04:24:48 PM »
All good advice here.

One thing to think about is that all landings except carrier landings are controlled stalls. (carrier landings are controlled crashes)

The biggest thing about landing is getting prepared. Get your plane at the proper approach speed, trim, gears down and flaps early. Don't leave this to the last minute. Now I realise that there are times in AH that we are trying to get a plane down in a hurry to land those kllls with bandits in the air. In those situations all bets are off and a skid landing is just as appropriate.

One of the keys to a good landing is proper trim. Trying to land with combat-trim on is like a wrestling match. Every time your flight characteristics change re-trim your plane.

Reduce speed and TRIM
Drop flaps and TRIM
Lower gear and TRIM

You should try and come over the end of the runway close to the planes stall speed. When you are a couple feet off the runway, chop throttle and flair the nose up. You should settle down on all 3 wheels.

In the A5 when I'm landing the stall horn will go off just before my wheels hit the ground. Now in the Ki-84 I never hear it. That thing just floats down like a feather. F4Us are a whole 'nother beastie. Those things need arresting cables even on land. :D

A good practice is to make your approach and instead of landing try and keep the wheels just off the pavement holding the plane there. This way you will get used to how your plane behaves under those flight characteristics.

It great your trying to safely land your virtual aircraft. I now those virtual taxpayers and getting tired of paying for those damaged or destroyed planes because our pilots only care about those kills. :lol

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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2005, 05:36:32 PM »
Landing a hog, isn't much different to landing any of the other tail draggers we have here.

I posted a blurb on landing the hog in the thread a couple of posts down titled "Takeoff model".

have a read, and hope it helps

Cheers,
RTR
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 07:28:31 PM »
Down elevator trim seems to get rid of that bouncing you're talking about.  Combat Trim throws elevator trim to the very top at landing speeds, causing the plane to rise without input.

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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 11:13:27 PM »
ditto on what RTR and RightFoot posted,

The HOG(F4U series planes) is one of the easiest planes to FLARE on landing ( or is that because I fly it all the time:D )

elevator Trim is key, as most noted here.

and as also mentioned, practice makes perfect.

one should practice both normal landing approaches and Hot Landing approaches.

so when the time is at present you are comfortable with landing HOT ( fast quick landing )

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2005, 11:48:00 PM »
Raise gear right befor ya touch ...






Bounce problem solved :D
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