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Offline indy007

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« Reply #105 on: July 07, 2005, 02:11:42 PM »
I ended up directly in the middle of the Libertarian block.

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« Reply #106 on: July 07, 2005, 02:30:18 PM »
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Whatever you think of Rove dont matter.  The guy is not an idiot and thats what he would have to be to have done this.  The fine is no greater that 50k and no more than 10 years in the pen.  Rove aint about that.

I suspect that he at least put one fall guy between himself and the dirty deed.  At a minimum.


So you are assuming that the fall guy is gonna take the fall. A lot of people that get put in that position will rat someone else out in a heartbeat to avoid jail.

Also like I said earlier, Karl might have made sure he didn't have any evidence that he was the source, but internal documents from Time and reporters notes (which is what they just got) could prove very damning.

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« Reply #107 on: July 07, 2005, 02:53:38 PM »
yes but any media source that conducts an investigation is slanted one way or the other and has no more or less credibility in my eyes than anyone else, including rove or someone like dean.  Its all so much political gas to me.  It all stinks.

 A fall guy like north is what Im thinking....when I say fall guy I mean falls on the sword, takes a bullet for the boss sort of fall guy.  Rove is not a genius or even brilliant but he is smart, or at least smart enough not to get caught doing something so obviously illegal.

In any event, in my job if I disclosed the identity of a covert agent I would be sent to prison for 10 years without so much as a second thought or any hope of mercy.  If Rove is the leak I hope he gets the same penalty as anyone would.
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« Reply #108 on: July 07, 2005, 08:27:39 PM »
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Ames got life in prison for betraying over 100 CIA operatives to the KGB; 10 of those were killed.


Whats this? I dont think I have ever head of this?

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« Reply #109 on: July 07, 2005, 10:58:51 PM »
Anyone heard anything about Karl Rove being fired from Reagan's 1980 campaign for releasing Rob Mosbacker's name to Novak???

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« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2005, 11:07:56 PM »
Here's a link that seems to confirm it, Raider:

http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/transcripts_060404_roving.html

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« Reply #111 on: July 10, 2005, 12:19:18 PM »
New info incoming....

July 18 issue - It was 11:07 on a Friday morning, July 11, 2003, and Time magazine correspondent Matt Cooper was tapping out an e-mail to his bureau chief, Michael Duffy. "Subject: Rove/P&C," (for personal and confidential), Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.

For two years, a federal prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, has been investigating the leak of Plame's identity as an undercover CIA agent. The leak was first reported by columnist Robert Novak on July 14, 2003. Novak apparently made some arrangement with the prosecutor, but Fitzgerald continued to press other reporters for their sources, possibly to show a pattern (to prove intent) or to make a perjury case.

Rove's words on the Plame case have always been carefully chosen. "I didn't know her name. I didn't leak her name," Rove told CNN last year when asked if he had anything to do with the Plame leak.

Rove has never publicly acknowledged talking to any reporter about former ambassador Joseph Wilson and his wife. But last week, his lawyer, Robert Luskin, confirmed to NEWSWEEK that Rove did—and that Rove was the secret source who, at the request of both Cooper's lawyer and the prosecutor, gave Cooper permission to testify.

NEWSWEEK obtained a copy of the e-mail that Cooper sent his bureau chief after speaking to Rove. (The e-mail was authenticated by a source intimately familiar with Time's editorial handling of the Wilson story, but who has asked not to be identified because of the magazine's corporate decision not to disclose its contents.) Cooper wrote that Rove offered him a "big warning" not to "get too far out on Wilson." Rove told Cooper that Wilson's trip had not been authorized by "DCIA"—CIA Director George Tenet—or Vice President Dick Cheney. Rather, "it was, KR said, wilson's wife, who apparently works at the agency on wmd [weapons of mass destruction] issues who authorized the trip."

Nothing in the Cooper e-mail suggests that Rove used Plame's name or knew she was a covert operative.

A fair reading of the e-mail makes clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity, but was an effort to discourage Time from publishing things that turned out to be false," the source said, referring to claims in circulation at the time that Cheney and high-level CIA officials arranged for Wilson's trip to Africa.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/

1) So Karl didn't use her name he just said "Wilson's wife". Thats laughable.

2)It says he didnt reveal her as CIA agent. Just Someone who "apparently works at the Agency on WMD". Sheesh what joke.

3)You might be right Yeager he might have found a way around the law.

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« Reply #112 on: July 10, 2005, 01:03:02 PM »
Well this should be interesting.

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« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2005, 05:21:38 PM »
There was just an exciting press conference that kept coming back to the subject of Karl Rove, and it felt like some squirming.  This is good reading for anyone following the developing story.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050711-3.html
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« Reply #114 on: July 12, 2005, 05:41:01 PM »
Let's use the same type of standard for the public persons that we use for private for christs sake's....

Martha, we cant make the case and prosecute you for fraud, but we say you lied to a federal cop interviewing you.

Karl ...no sweat, you didnt know that the CIA was protecting wilsons wife's ID.

And folk wonder why there is an attitude many of us have toward the government that they cant be trusted..

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« Reply #115 on: July 12, 2005, 05:46:12 PM »
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There was just an exciting press conference that kept coming back to the subject of Karl Rove, and it felt like some squirming.  This is good reading for anyone following the developing story.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/07/20050711-3.html


Yeah I watched it. Spokesman kept answering every question with "We wont discuss an ongoing investigation" Then a reporter asked if he was aware they (the whitehouse) was free to talk about the case and was not under a gag order and I thought he was gonna just pass out from the heat. Of course he gave the same answer to that question too.

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« Reply #116 on: July 12, 2005, 06:11:17 PM »
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Let's use the same type of standard for the public persons that we use for private for christs sake's....

Martha, we cant make the case and prosecute you for fraud, but we say you lied to a federal cop interviewing you.

Karl ...no sweat, you didnt know that the CIA was protecting wilsons wife's ID.

And folk wonder why there is attitude many of us have toward the government that they cant be trusted..

shamus


On Martha.

Legislators who have inside knowledge of FDA studies are allowed to invest in experimental drugs. Why are they allowed to do this and we can't? We'll they're legislators and they made a law making it legal for them to do it.

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« Reply #118 on: July 13, 2005, 09:55:33 AM »
Wow, I've been following the developments in this story, particularly with the "Admit nothing/Deny everything/Make counter-accusations" strategy that I first learned about on this board (Sandman or Nash?).   Anyway, yesterday's press conference and the WSJ opinion piece fit in beautifully.  

Not sure if it is strictly a Neocon scandal-handling tactic or if it applies to all politicians but thanks for the links, CVH.

Wondering now if there could be a Presidential Medal of Freedom in Rove's future...

Would probably be instructive to follow the money and learn who owns the WSJ.

Here's hoping Nugent runs on a 3rd party ticket.

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« Reply #119 on: July 13, 2005, 10:18:01 AM »
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A fair reading of the e-mail makes clear that the information conveyed was not part of an organized effort to disclose Plame's identity, but was an effort to discourage Time from publishing things that turned out to be false," the source said, referring to claims in circulation at the time that Cheney and high-level CIA officials arranged for Wilson's trip to Africa.


I think this sentence pretty much sums this whole argument up.  Rove attackers really are grasping at political straws here.  Seriously when are democrats gonna learn?  They apitimize the term "jump the gun", there political frothing of the mouth is all too apparent.

One could make alot of money doing some kind of betting pool.  We could call it "political human sacrifice" and we could place bets on when and who the demacrats are going to demonize next.