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« Reply #75 on: July 03, 2005, 08:31:19 PM »
Ah.... who knows.

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« Reply #76 on: July 05, 2005, 05:03:12 PM »
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I'm sure he knew. But if he has plausible deniability then he could get off. These are smart weasels. DC is a big natural selection machine for weasels. Survival of the weaseliest.


As brilliant as he is, and he really is and very effective, you can get a bit too arrogant and make a blunder. BTW, brilliant at PR is not necessarily a compliment :) He pushed the propaganda and divisiveness aspects to the limits - very effectively. A master at gossip, runor, US vs. Them and the beauty of simplicity and making the most of peoples worst instincts. More on the ethics of Karl Rove from Wikipedia:

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In 1970, at the age of nineteen and while a protege of Donald Segretti (later convicted as a Watergate conspirator), Rove sneaked into the campaign office of Illinois Democrat Alan Dixon and stole some letterhead, which he used to print fake campaign rally fliers promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing," and distributed them at rock concerts and homeless shelters. Admitting to the incident much later, Rove said, "I was nineteen and I got involved in a political prank."


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n 1986, just before a crucial debate in the election for governor of Texas, Karl Rove announced that his office had been bugged by the Democrats. There was no evidence of this, and it was later alleged that he had bugged his own phone to garner media coverage.


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Karl Rove's reputation for political dirty tricks is such that, among both his supporters and critics the phrase "Rovian" has come to be used as a synonym for "Machiavellian".


He also implied that Ann Richards was a lesbian to Get Bush elected Texas Gov.; the attacks on McCain as being unhinged from his POW experiences and the “push poll” questions in the south: "Would you be more likely or less likely to vote for John McCain for president if you knew he had fathered an illegitimate black child?" (adopted Bangladesh daughter); his co-authoring of Unfit for Command against Kerry (what did you do during the war, Karl?); the 1994 defeat of Georgia senator and wounded Vietnam vet Max Cleland, implying he was a buddy of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden -- a real piece of brilliant work. From what I have read, there are a variety of more traditional Republicans who won't be sad at his departure, since the whole "You're either with us or against us" thing is wielded pretty strongly within the party. A master at developing the brands: Republican and Conservative; and even more masterful at setting the opposition’s brands for: Democrat and liberal - not that Democratic ineptitude didn’t play a major role.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy :)

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« Reply #77 on: July 05, 2005, 05:40:16 PM »
yep old Karl is a real piece of work. And He is Bush's HEAD POLITICAL ADVISOR.  I have no doubt Karl is gonna take the fall, but I wouldnt doubt the official decision to release the name came from Bush/Cheney. I think it would be bad if we get hit with another political scandal, especially right now, so hopefully karl didnt do it, but I think we all knew he did whenever it got released last year.(or maybe it was 2 years ago now)

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« Reply #78 on: July 05, 2005, 05:45:37 PM »
You know I'm so sick of the Dumbocrats vs. Republicans and both parties trying to dig up dirt on the other...Wake up people..this is all a smoke screen...as we watch the staged fights between parties, the federal government is chipping away at all our personal liberties..soon this will be the People's Republic of America.

.I used to be a strong supporter of the Republican party..but they are in this just as deep as the democrats...I've decided that my views are more aligned with the libertarians...as probrably most of your are(and don't even realize it)... Take this quiz and see where you stand.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

I ended up a little to the right side of the Libertarian sector of the graphic.
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« Reply #79 on: July 05, 2005, 05:58:43 PM »
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You know I'm so sick of the Dumbocrats vs. Republicans and both parties trying to dig up dirt on the other...Wake up people..this is all a smoke screen...as we watch the staged fights between parties, the federal government is chipping away at all our personal liberties..soon this will be the People's Republic of America.


Old Karl's a master at making that happen.

I agree with you 100% BTW. I voted for that Libertarian fellow last time around, his name esacpes me now :)

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« Reply #80 on: July 06, 2005, 08:17:22 AM »
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Originally posted by ASTAC
You know I'm so sick of the Dumbocrats vs. Republicans and both parties trying to dig up dirt on the other...Wake up people..this is all a smoke screen...as we watch the staged fights between parties, the federal government is chipping away at all our personal liberties..soon this will be the People's Republic of America.

.I used to be a strong supporter of the Republican party..but they are in this just as deep as the democrats...I've decided that my views are more aligned with the libertarians...as probrably most of your are(and don't even realize it)... Take this quiz and see where you stand.

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

I ended up a little to the right side of the Libertarian sector of the graphic.


I came out as a Centrist, but in the Libertarian/Liberal corner of the Centrist box.

I did some playing around with that test, and this may surprise you ASTAC, but on the Personal Issues scale, Libertarians are 100% Liberal in their beliefs (they favor the maximum amount of individual freedom - while traditional Conservatives favor maximum amount of government control over Personal Issues).
I always thought you hated Liberals and equated them with communists.

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« Reply #81 on: July 06, 2005, 08:23:29 AM »
Charon,

How do you feel about McCain?    I always held in in very high regard, and thought he had a great political future.   I was really upset by the way the Rove and the Bush team destroyed him in the 2000 primaries.

That is why when he endorsed Bush in 2004, I lost quite a bit of respect for his judgement.    Not sure I would vote for him now, because his behavior by falling in line behind someone who treated him like that is so incomprehensible to me.

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« Reply #82 on: July 06, 2005, 08:35:36 AM »
We will have to see how it plays out but you liberals do have a habit of wringing the bones right out of your hands at the very first hint of what you "know" must be happening in the evil Bush empire...  probly shorted out your keyboards with the saliva...

In any case.. even if Bush ordered the guy hit... it is still not near as bad as Klinton having janet reno kill those 28 kids.  And none of you libs even cared about that.

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« Reply #83 on: July 06, 2005, 09:14:21 AM »
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In any case.. even if Bush ordered the guy hit... it is still not near as bad as Klinton having janet reno kill those 28 kids.  And none of you libs even cared about that.

lazs


Nope. It was their own damn fault. When the nice police officer says come outside, it's best to do so.
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« Reply #84 on: July 06, 2005, 09:17:46 AM »
I don't think reno got any answer one way or the other from those kids.   The adults were paid for but the kids?   You are kidding right?  

Did anyone even get a stern talking to over the murder of all those children?

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« Reply #85 on: July 06, 2005, 09:27:51 AM »
'morning Laz.  If that really is you, that is - that last post had none of your typical down-to-earth country wisdom and went pretty heavy on the radical rightwing zealotry.   The nifty diversion to the Waco incident is more typical of a radical neocon poster.

Regarding Rove, I think his denial through his lawyer should be sufficient to close the matter.  No further investigation or press coverage should really be necessary.

Whudja get on ASTAC's test?

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« Reply #86 on: July 06, 2005, 09:29:36 AM »
I know nothing but my gut says Karl is smarter than to put it in an  email ..
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« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2005, 09:30:49 AM »
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I don't think reno got any answer one way or the other from those kids.   The adults were paid for but the kids?   You are kidding right?  

Did anyone even get a stern talking to over the murder of all those children?

lazs


You wish to blame law enforcement and the administration. I blame Koresh and the rest of his whack job followers.
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« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2005, 09:33:37 AM »
My gut wonders why a journalist would be willing to go to jail to protect Rove (or the real person who committed the federal offense of outing a CIA operative).

I also wonder why the journalist who wrote the original story naming Plame as an operative, Novak, is not in the same situation as Cooper and Miller.

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« Reply #89 on: July 06, 2005, 09:45:07 AM »
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