Political explosion in t-5,4,3,2....

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Nash
Except that it wasn't fake and it was accurate.

Apologist. Wake up. Yer getting raped.

right.....

[Nash]

right.

[Raider179]

Originally posted by Gunslinger
Nope I don't think so.

 

I think this IS debatable.  He may or may not have known but from what it sounds like in transcripts between him and Novak it does not sound like he was trying to out her cover and ruin her career.

 
It's 2005 not 1992.  I havnt seen anything were he says she was "fair game" that's not to say he didn't say it.

Raider he didn't call her an agent he just said that she worked for them.  According to Novak this was a 2 min conversation that happened in passing.  If I was trying to destroy somone I'd make a little bit more effort than that.

Again it does not sound like she was the topic of conversation or that he INTENDED to out her as an agent or operative.  

Now if we want to talk about "yellow cake" and wilson's mission to africa this is my opinion:

 

I think Nash summed up Downing Street memo perfectly:

1)Then what was he doing talking to Matt Cooper if he wasnt trying to out her???

2)Check my link on the "fair game"

3)Again Semantics. He didnt call her out by name, he just called her "wilson's wife". Give me a break. That alone is an admission that he messed up. Whether he knew it or not, he let her name out.

4)Fall on the "intended or knowingly" defense if you have to but what it really comes down is that you shouldnt have to. That is my point. He duffed it. He is involved deep enough that he should resign.

5)LMAO nice defense on the downing memo. You quote one of us to prove your point.

6)Try actually quoting and linking to Ambassador Wilson's Op-ed about Nigeria. I see you just plopped down a bunch of junk. Thats what good about links, they speak for themself. I always find it funny that "conservatives" never use links. Why is that?

[Raider179]

Also again I see no response to these remarks.

Again I see no defense for KR hardball admission that Valerie Plume was "fair game"

or anything about his leaking to Novak in 1992 and being fired from Bush Sr.'s campaign. No response? or just choose to ignore?

Your oh it happened in 1992 doesnt hold water. It shows a link between KR and Novak which you cannot deny. Please try.

[TheDudeDVant]

Kinda funny to see peps attempt to defend KR.

I believe the scum is guilty.

Thing here is it really doesn't matter if hes guilty or not from a job perspective.  Bush said he would fire any person known to leak information outta the white house..  Well folks.. I think we may have a leak here.. lol

So, the question becomes will bush prove himself to be a liar once more, or perhaps as mentioned the other night on tds, shall we all stay tuned for cheif justice rove?? lol

[lazs2]

So far I haven't heard much about this except here.  And "here" all I am getting is a bunch of agenda based speculation.

I will wait to see new developments or see how it plays out.   So far... nobody seems to really be on this thing as much as some of the posters.

Knowing the media... I would say that the only reason is that there isn't as much there as the posters here seem to think.

Other than the breaking links.... there doesn't seem to be much happening.

If there are poeple guilty of crimes I would like to see em punished.

lazs

[DrDea]

"Kinda funny to see peps attempt to defend KR.

I believe the scum is guilty. "

  When did we throw out the basic law "Innocent untill proven guilty"?
 Wishfull thinking isnt a court of law.As Laz said,if hes done wrong then he should be canned but you guys really should back off a touch on the partisan wish listing.This could blow up in your faces like Dan Rather did.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Raider179
1)Then what was he doing talking to Matt Cooper if he wasnt trying to out her???

2)Check my link on the "fair game"

3)Again Semantics. He didnt call her out by name, he just called her "wilson's wife". Give me a break. That alone is an admission that he messed up. Whether he knew it or not, he let her name out.

4)Fall on the "intended or knowingly" defense if you have to but what it really comes down is that you shouldnt have to. That is my point. He duffed it. He is involved deep enough that he should resign.

5)LMAO nice defense on the downing memo. You quote one of us to prove your point.

6)Try actually quoting and linking to Ambassador Wilson's Op-ed about Nigeria. I see you just plopped down a bunch of junk. Thats what good about links, they speak for themself. I always find it funny that "conservatives" never use links. Why is that?

well if he was trying to "out" her don't you think she would have been the topic of conversation and not who sent wilson to africa?  keep in mind this was a 2 min conversation not an indepth interview.  In addition he said she was an employee....not an agent or an op.  If his INTENT was to out her don't you think he would have IDed her by name and position?

I don't know the answers to these questions either.  only time will tell, but the fact that this case has been under investigation for over 2 years and no indictment has been handed down and you guys our out to hump any leg on this that you can.....well I don't think I need to say any more.

PS i'm not falling on any defense that's what the law says.  He had to have criminal INTENT in order to be convicted

[TheDudeDVant]

Originally posted by DrDea
"Kinda funny to see peps attempt to defend KR.

I believe the scum is guilty. "

  When did we throw out the basic law "Innocent untill proven guilty"?
 Wishfull thinking isnt a court of law.As Laz said,if hes done wrong then he should be canned but you guys really should back off a touch on the partisan wish listing.This could blow up in your faces like Dan Rather did.

Well, I suppose it could..  But I was only offering my opinion and last I checked this bbs is not a court of law but rather a place to express opinion..

But still its funny to see the rove defence team in action.. Taking into consideration rove's past exploits its not really that long a leap of faith to see this is just another example of rove's SOP..  At least in my opinion..

But TDS really nailed the hyprocy/humor in the fact of Tennet's medal of freedom (or whatever), rice's promotion after the missed PDB of pending attacks, and now this with rove whom will surely be placed up for nomination for the surpreme court justice.. lol  Yup, thats the american way with this administration.. No matter how terrible your folly, tow the party line and you're in for good things!

[Krusher]

Originally posted by TheDudeDVant
Well,But still its funny to see the rove defence team in action..  

Its not nearly as funny as watching the "get rove" crowd reach for anything.  Call me when he is convicted of lying to a grand jury like umm... well you know.

[Shamus]

If Rove has any style at all he will fall on his sword so Bush dosent have to fire him to keep his promise, I think everyone knows it was a payback for Wilsons transgretions, be it legal or not.

I do find it comical that his defenders are going thru thier own "depends on what the meaning of is is" gyrations.

shamus

[mosgood]

If it was a payback, is it realistic to think that Rove would do this on his on volition?  He just decided, himself, that this retribution needed to occur?

[Shamus]

We wont know unless he starts talking.

shamus

[TheDudeDVant]

Its okay to laugh Shamus.. Just don't froth at the mouth..

[DrDea]

Dont pay any attention to Shamus.Hes hitting the bottle.
And hes a spit dweeb too:rofl