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Offline Raider179

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« Reply #240 on: July 15, 2005, 01:15:55 PM »
My thoughts are now if its not KR who leaked then who was it? Libby? Novak should be in jail right now, since he was the original "outer". KR still seems to have corroborated Novak's story though, so I am not sure that he is off the hook. Saying he can't remember who told him first sounds like utter BS to me. If Novak told him first than how could Rove have indicated he "heard something like that"?


Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another member of the news media but he could not recall which reporter had told him about it first, the person said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.

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« Reply #241 on: July 15, 2005, 01:43:27 PM »
lets take a look at the very first line of this thread:

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News flash: Karl Rove leaked Plame's name to the press. If true, this means that the Bush


First we have "News flash: Karl Rove leaked Plame's name to the press"

then immediatly after that we have: "If true, this means that the Bush"

anyone else see this?  First somthing written as a statement of fact convicting somone who hasn't even been indicted.......than an "if it's true"

It's striking that this goes to prove the point I've been saying all along.  You Bush haters really need to loosen the panties from the bunch they get into every time one of your beloved democrat leaders starts spewing their hatred and diarea of the mouth when ever the slight scent of a scandle starts to come out.

I've heard all week long from democrat leaders saying how "Rove should resign" "Rove needs to be fired" and even from this board how "Rove is a traitor" and committed "treason".

This isn't the first time you guys have jumped the gun either.  Hopfully you wont learn from this and you keep repeating this mistake over and over again.  ;)

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« Reply #242 on: July 15, 2005, 02:04:38 PM »
Just like I pointed out in my first post, lots of accusations, little meat, many elected officials wasting time on this issue and no real work getting done....
 We pay these guys to make stuff work and they sit around all day bickering like a bunch of school kids at play time over who called who a name....

Its a non issue...Cant even watch any real news because this story is on every minute on every channel radio and tv...

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« Reply #243 on: July 15, 2005, 02:46:21 PM »
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My thoughts are now if its not KR who leaked then who was it? Libby? Novak should be in jail right now, since he was the original "outer". KR still seems to have corroborated Novak's story though, so I am not sure that he is off the hook. Saying he can't remember who told him first sounds like utter BS to me. If Novak told him first than how could Rove have indicated he "heard something like that"?


Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another member of the news media but he could not recall which reporter had told him about it first, the person said.

When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.




What if the first person was the other reporter Miller who is in jail because she won't admit it was her who told KR?
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« Reply #244 on: July 15, 2005, 02:47:14 PM »
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You do of course understand the difference between neighbors and Friends knowing you work for the CIA and someone telling the press your an Agent and it getting printed in a world wide newspaper? or maybe you dont.

Also, you should think about anyone she might have worked with during her time as an "agent" Wonder if anyone has gotten killed?



Do you?  

Maybe you should check yesterdays issue of the USA today..

The straw some are grasping gets shorter every day.

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« Reply #245 on: July 15, 2005, 03:45:51 PM »
I sence a huge baloon deflating:rolleyes:
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« Reply #246 on: July 15, 2005, 04:30:54 PM »
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What if the first person was the other reporter Miller who is in jail because she won't admit it was her who told KR?


Nope, She found out from somewhere.

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« Reply #247 on: July 15, 2005, 05:00:55 PM »
Interesting development:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8577190/?fark=cool

Rove says that the reporters told him her name, not the other way around.
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« Reply #248 on: July 15, 2005, 09:26:31 PM »
May as well close this.The dems have run away.Gentlemen,ya gotta learn from the Rather fiasco.Wishing its true doesnt make it true.Better luck next time  
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« Reply #249 on: July 15, 2005, 09:44:58 PM »
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May as well close this.The dems have run away.Gentlemen,ya gotta learn from the Rather fiasco.Wishing its true doesnt make it true.Better luck next time  


Seen any confirmation of this story by Rove? or his lawyer? How about by novak or his lawyer? What about time? or newsweek or Cooper or Miller? Not saying its not true but the article is sourced to 1 person who is hiding their identity because its a grand jury. Funny how their is a leak in the Grand jury investigation of a leak...

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« Reply #250 on: July 15, 2005, 10:01:07 PM »
Its looking more and more like a dead issue.Not a cover up as some would say,or wish hopefully,but a blown WAY out of perportion wish list.And how much time has been wasted with the witch hunt on Rove while much more important things like social security,homeland security and basicly everything else that needs done in this divided by partisan bull crapcountry while the smear the queer with the ball game went on?
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« Reply #251 on: July 15, 2005, 10:34:49 PM »
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And how much time has been wasted with the witch hunt on Rove while much more important things like social security,homeland security and...



edit... bah, I better snag this back before the moderators do. It wasn't helpful. Behaving is so much work. :)
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« Reply #252 on: July 15, 2005, 10:57:16 PM »
Has anyone ever seen this interview. Blitzer and Novak

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/01/blitzer.novak/


Thursday, October 2, 2003

NOVAK: New York Times ... That was on a Sunday morning. On Monday, I began to report on something that I thought was very curious. Why was it that Ambassador Wilson, who had no particular experience in weapons of mass destruction, and was a sharp critic of the Iraqi policy of President Bush and, also, had been a high-ranking official in the Clinton White House, who had contributed politically to Democrats -- some Republicans, but mostly Democrats -- why was he being selected?

I asked this question to a senior Bush administration official, and he said that he believed that the assignment was suggested by an employee at the CIA in the counterproliferation office who happened to be Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame. I then called another senior official of the Bush administration, and he said, Oh, you know about that? And he confirmed that that was an accurate story. I then called the CIA. They said that, to their knowledge, he did not -- that the mission was not suggested by Ambassador Wilson's wife -- but that she had been asked by her colleagues in the counterproliferation office to contact her husband. So she was involved.

NOVAK: Under Clinton, that's correct. So that was the story I wrote, was about the details of Ambassador Wilson's mission, which created a great storm. And in the sixth paragraph of a 10-paragraph story I mentioned that two senior administration officials had said it was suggested by his wife, who worked at the CIA.

BLITZER: Now, in today's column, I think you wrote in The Chicago Sun-Times and The Washington Post, appearing as well, you wrote this: "He asked me not to use her name," referring to a CIA official, "saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment, but that exposure of her name might cause difficulties if she travels abroad. He never suggested to me that Wilson's wife or anybody else would be endangered. If he had, I would not have used her name." How much did they press you and say, you know what, this is really a problem? Please don't use her name. She's a covert operative.

NOVAK: It was what I call a weak request. In journalism we are asked not to use things constantly. I'm sure you have been. Don't use that, Wolf. I was asked by the CIA official not to use it. He did not, at any point, say her life was in danger. He did not press it. I thought it was in the nature of a pro forma request after a conversation in which he had detailed Ambassador Wilson's mission, explained to me that the mission -- that there was never a written report. A lot of people don't even know that. There was no written report.

BLITZER: "He asked me not to use her name saying she probably never again will be given a foreign assignment."

NOVAK: Yes. That was not anything -- whether I wrote anything or not, he said she would never be given a foreign assignment. That was a fact that she had moved on to a different phase of her career. It was not because of anything I was writing.

NOVAK: Difficulties if she was traveling abroad, I guess, on vacation or something. But they said she would not be given a foreign assignment. I thought that was a very weak request, let me repeat. And the editor of The Washington Post, Fred Hyatt, said in an editorial as well that if the request had been made by the CIA not to put this information in for the fear of the safety of Mrs. Wilson or anybody else, I certainly would not have used her name. But that request was not made. Now, why was it not made? There's one of two reasons. One possible reason is that it was a mistake by the CIA. They screwed it up. The other reason is they didn't think her life was in danger. I don't know the answer. It's one of the two though.

BLITZER: It is the subject of an investigation right now. The other issue that's coming out is the use of your word "operative" to suggest that you knew she was a covert, clandestine operative as opposed to an analyst. There's been some debate. She's currently an analyst, but according to all the sources we have, she used to be an operative.

NOVAK: Well, I have sources, too. I have sources that tell me that she was never an analyst -- I mean, never an operative. She was never covert. She was never covert. Put it that way. She was never covert. She was always what they call "light covert." That is, she was covered, she was working under the cover of another government agency, but she was not a covert operator. I have been told that by other sources...

NOVAK: But I just want to say that the word operative that I said in today's column, Wolf, was a mistake, using that word on my part. I have called hack politicians operatives if you read my column carefully over 40 years. And it's just kind of a throw-away word. I had no knowledge whether or not she was an operative.

NOVAK: So then they made that up. I never said that. I said I didn't dig it out in the sense I went through the files of the CIA. It was given to me, as I just told you. There's no inconsistency there at all. But that is -- you have to be very careful, Wolf, with these things because they say that the idea that -- they're saying they came to me. They did not come to me.

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: ... the quote part is correct, "I didn't dig it out. It was given to me."

NOVAK: I just told you it was given to me. I didn't dig it out of the files there. Let me tell you this. There are people putting out stories that the White House was trying to find a pawn to put out this information. They went through six people...

NOVAK: I just told you it was given to me. I didn't dig it out of the files there. Let me tell you this. There are people putting out stories that the White House was trying to find a pawn to put out this information. They went through six people...

(CROSSTALK)

BLITZER: ... to smear Joe Wilson.

NOVAK: Yes. And finally came to me. That's not true. As I have told you in detail this story, nobody came to me. Nobody came to me. I never said that. The story in Newsday is absolutely incorrect. It's not in my quotes. They never came to me. I went to them in reporting that story.

BLITZER: And the suggestion has been made -- and we're not going to ask you to reveal your sources because I know you would never reveal your sources -- that Karl Rove somehow is manipulating this whole thing to get even with Joe Wilson who was critical of the president.

NOVAK: Ambassador Wilson, I'm not going to call him a liar. Certainly, it seems highly improbable that after the story had appeared in print and it was not -- I would like to say that this was a hell of column that rocked Washington. It didn't. It was in the sixth paragraph of a 10-paragraph story. But after it appeared, Mr. Rove, the idea that he would be going around trying to peddle this column after it appeared in print, it doesn't make sense to me. Maybe it did happen, maybe it didn't. I have no information of that. I would like to see the names of the reporters, though, wouldn't you?

BLITZER: Definitely. A lot of people want it a lot more. And I'm sure presumably in the days and weeks to come we'll know a lot more. We're almost out of time. But a couple -- just to wrap a couple things up. Had you known that this information, releasing the name, could have endangered her or her colleagues, you would never have reported this?

NOVAK: No, no. I want to rephrase your question. Had I known. You're saying it would have endangered her and her colleagues. I still don't know that to this day. I will tell you this. If a CIA official said, "You are endangering the life of Mrs. Wilson and her colleagues," I never would have printed it.

BLITZER: But do you have any reason to believe that the source or sources that you spoke to in the administration themselves knew that by giving her name or telling you about her, that this would be causing her any kind of problem?

NOVAK: I really resent that premise that it endangers her life because you're saying if they knew that...

BLITZER: ... they may have thought she was simply an analyst, too.

NOVAK: She might have been. You don't know whether she was and I don't know whether she was. There's no way -- we do not know that fact. I have been told, not by the official sources at the CIA, but the unofficial sources, that she was not a covert operative whose life was in danger

BLITZER: Because this is significant, as you know, because the law also states that you have to have intent, you have to know that by revealing the identity of a covert agent, you're committing this crime. They may not have known.

NOVAK: Let me say one other thing I had in today's column. The person who gave me the original story, I said it was given in an off-handed way during in this conversation and he was not a partisan gun slinger. I said that. I'm not going to go into more description, but I did feel that the idea that this was some kind of a carefully arranged plot to destroy this woman and her husband, as far as I'm concerned, was nonsense. It didn't happen that way, and this kind of scandal that has perpetrated in Washington is Washington at its worst.

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« Reply #253 on: July 15, 2005, 11:07:26 PM »
"Did Robert Novak rat on New York Times reporter Judith Miller? While some have suggested Miller—who never wrote a word about CIA spook Valerie Plame—was dragged into the leak probe when her name turned up on a White House call log, several beltway insiders close to the investigation say special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald learned of Miller’s involvement from Novak himself"

This seems to fit with what the facts say, although Novak in the above interview claims CIA official told him, not Miller. Though it would explain why she is in jail and he is not.

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« Reply #254 on: July 15, 2005, 11:11:05 PM »
Interesting - no, I hadn't seen that.

This thing has taken too many twists for me to follow. Not for lack of trying.

I do note that all of the twists are solely a result of Rove's mouthpeice lawyer, so who the hell really knows. The prosecutors are certainly keeping it zipped...

There was some some buzz a couple of weeks ago that the investigation "shifted".... whatever the hell that means.

....so something tells me that when the indictments are finally handed down, they may not have much to do with what we're talking about here. Maybe.

At this point I have no idea what in the world is going on. It's so much fun though. :D