One of my favorite Cold War aircraft

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Toad


That's an RB-47.

Note the pods amidships and aft on the lower part of the fueselage.

There are about 1/2 dozen teens saying to themselves "They had I-Pods then??"

[Toad]

"E" pods, I think, for Elint.

"O" pods for Optint.

"S" pods for Sigint.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Taken  at the Museum of Flight today. The Soviet answer was the Bear bomber I believe.

AFAIK the answer to B-47 was a Tu-16. Oh, sorry - the real answer was a MiG-15

Interesting, I have read a large article about B-47 a few days ago. The story of choosing the engine position is interesting - how some solutions that now look obvious were so hard to find.

Another thing that surprised me was that it was produced until 1956, and built by Boeing, MD and Lockheed.

[rpm]

Originally posted by Nilsen
Did it have a "regular" cockpit, or was there some little room you cannot see with a toilet in it below?

Did they enter the cockpit from a hatch under the AC or did they climb in the "normal" way?

Nils, have you never seen "Strategic Air Command" with Jimmy Stewart? If not check it out. Some good interior mock-up shots of a B-47 and great inflight exteriors.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Boroda
AFAIK the answer to B-47 was a Tu-16. Oh, sorry - the real answer was a MiG-15

 

Ah yes, the MiG-15,  the design lacked one essential component...a reliable engine. This problem was resolved when the British government authorized the Rolls-Royce company to export their Nene turbojet engine to Russia. As soon as the Russian Klimov design bureau received the engines, they immediately developed their own copy of the Nene, called the Klimov RD-45. At least the airframe was somewhat "Soviet original" and not copied like most of their inventory.

[Hangtime]

Kurt Tank would disagree.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Ah yes, the MiG-15,  the design lacked one essential component...a reliable engine. This problem was resolved when the British government authorized the Rolls-Royce company to export their Nene turbojet engine to Russia. As soon as the Russian Klimov design bureau received the engines, they immediately developed their own copy of the Nene, called the Klimov RD-45. At least the airframe was somewhat "Soviet original" and not copied like most of their inventory.

RD-45 = copy of a Nene. VK-1 = further development used on MiG-15bis.

Rip, it's well-known that Boeing used German data on swept wings designing B-47, so what?...

Korean war showed that MiG-15, using an outdated licensed engine and assembled in Soviet factories that gave up to 15cm difference in geometry between left and right wings, could literally wipe out B-29/B-50 formations out of the sky. RB-47s were routinely intercepted as well. Even piloted by Soviet volunteers who lived in inhuman conditions, having to stay on "alert number one" for days, losing consciousness in cockpits, being signed off duty for physicall and nervous exaustion, opposing the whole "united nations" airforce with 3 regiments sometimes having less then 120 interceptors ready for combat - 64th IAK's MiGs were an effective weapon.

I sound like "Pravda" or "Red Star", don't I?

[Hangtime]

Yup.



Mig-15 was an amazing weapon... superior to the F-86 Sabre in climb and turn performance, had a higher service ceiling, was better armed and had virtually the same speed as the Sabres.

And you had more of them in Southern China than we had Sabres in Korea... and you enjoyed strategic air superiority for the first year of the conflict thanks to the fact we had no Sabres at all at first.

So, why'd you lose?

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Yup.



Mig-15 was an amazing weapon... superior to the F-86 Sabre in climb and turn performance, had a higher service ceiling, was better armed and had virtually the same speed as the Sabres.

And you had more of them in Southern China than we had Sabres in Korea... and you enjoyed strategic air superiority for the first year of the conflict thanks to the fact we had no Sabres at all at first.

So, why'd you lose?

[Munkii]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Yup.



Mig-15 was an amazing weapon... superior to the F-86 Sabre in climb and turn performance, had a higher service ceiling, was better armed and had virtually the same speed as the Sabres.

And you had more of them in Southern China than we had Sabres in Korea... and you enjoyed strategic air superiority for the first year of the conflict thanks to the fact we had no Sabres at all at first.

So, why'd you lose?

The Koreans suck and it was too hot for the Russians.

[MiloMorai]

See Rule #5

[1K3]

The Soviets also sent their pilots to fly for the Koreans, Chinese. They are called the 'Honchos'

The pilots are forced to speak Chinese or Korean during flight because the ground ctrlers know that US/UN can pick up their transmissions.

[skernsk]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Yup.



So, why'd you lose?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a 'cease fire' in Korea?  Seems to me aint nobody won yet ....

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by skernsk
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a 'cease fire' in Korea?  Seems to me aint nobody won yet ....

Your not wrong at all.

[Ripsnort]

Oh yeah, the Mig-15, had taken a pic of it too on Sunday.