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Offline Ripsnort

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« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2005, 08:59:50 AM »
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liz is correct... the whole RvW is a smokescreen by the left to justify not allowing strict constituitionalists on the SC.

There are about 300 things more likely to change for the worst if we allow some liberal socialist "constitutition as a quaint document" judge on.  

That is the reason I voted for Bush.  Not abortion... I don't care about abortion or gay unions or.. if I do... they are so far down on the list that they are insignificant.

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« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2005, 09:17:33 AM »
R v W is in more jeopardy than the 2nd amendment.

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« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2005, 09:21:22 AM »
as well it should be... since there is no constitutional gurarantee for abortion.

If you feel that all laws are just fads that need to be changed on a whim then how can you expect R v W to fare any better?   An Amendment should never be in danger by the SC..   They have no power to change an amendment.

You want laws to be flexible and hip.... unless it is your ox that is being gored of course..

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« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2005, 09:25:41 AM »
Forgive me. I Ass-u-me'd that at least a few of the 300 things you mentioned had something to do with firearms.

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« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2005, 09:37:11 AM »
The best description I've heard of a good balance is the suggestion that abortion should be:

Safe, legal, and rare.

This seems like a good setup.  The burden falls on society to do its work to keep people from WANTING to seek abortion but offers a safety valve for those that fall between the cracks.

One possible reason why conservative politicians have been relatively quiet on the issue is that it's a strategic decision to limit the window of  comment.  Why pre-announce your intentions years in advance and risk someone turning society against you when you can present a fait accompli?  This applies to any issue, which makes me distrust the motives or competence of any politician that trial balloons real hot-button issues before they have the support to ram it through.  It's a real risk.
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« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2005, 09:40:35 AM »
Actually, Roe  was overturned in all but name by Planned Parenthood v. Casey--thats where the real fight is right now. After Roe state restricitons on abortion were severly limited up to 16 weeks. However, after Casey, the octigenarian lawyers said that states could restrict the so-called constitutional right even before the 16 week threshold as long as it does not impose an "undue burden" on the right. Go figure what "undue burden" means.

What a shame we burn so much time and resources on this silly issue. If people were so inflammed about it they should  write a real constitutional amendment either guaranteeing it, or banning it. I doubt, however this would ever happen. I suspect that the "right-wing" has just as much invested in seeing abortion legal as the"left." Meaning, if abortion became regulated by the states the conservative would lose one of their major donor issues. They would also lose one of their social high ground issues as well. Niether side would benefit, politically, from moving the debate from the status quo. Fear mongering over this issue has, unfortunely, susbtituted for reasonable, responsible debate.

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« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2005, 10:09:08 AM »
This is such a stupid issue.


The right to be an irresponisble moron.


Anyone who bases their politics on this is sad.


I am pro the right to murder unborn children. (thats what it is, if you have to sugar coat it with this right to chose BS, well maybe you should wonder what else you have to sugar coat in your life to justify)


Christians should just sit back and relax, their god will punish these people when the time comes, its not their job. They should mind their own buisness.

Roe V wade is not going to change.

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« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2005, 10:32:27 AM »
If Roe is overturned -- which I don't think will happen soon -- the issue will revert back to the states. Some will ban all abortions, some won't, and most will have some restrictions.

One other thing...they will never admit it, but Roe is the best thing to happen to the GOP in years.
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« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2005, 11:52:24 AM »
I've been through it before...

I honestly can say that the life of my fiancée was more important to me than the life of my unborn daughter. I'd take the chance of having my fiancée survive than the both of them die...

THat, gentlemen, is my stance on it...

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« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2005, 12:14:29 PM »
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I've been through it before...

I honestly can say that the life of my fiancée was more important to me than the life of my unborn daughter. I'd take the chance of having my fiancée survive than the both of them die...

THat, gentlemen, is my stance on it...


The wacos won't see it that way tex, they say if both die than it is God's will. Some must make difficult decisions, and living in America, we can make that decision ourselves, not have someone else make it for us.
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2005, 12:28:36 PM »
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The wacos won't see it that way tex, they say if both die than it is God's will. Some must make difficult decisions, and living in America, we can make that decision ourselves, not have someone else make it for us.


texace situation is not the main purpose of abortion as it is used today ... it is birth control . the would-be momma don't want the stretch mark, the rugrat or the change in her lifestyle ... clear and simple

texace would have had the same choice if RvW did not exist. no doc in his right mind would allow the mother to die due to complications at birth or during pregancy. But keep justifying it ...
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2005, 12:33:34 PM »
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This is such a stupid issue.


The right to be an irresponisble moron.


Anyone who bases their politics on this is sad.


I am pro the right to murder unborn children. (thats what it is, if you have to sugar coat it with this right to chose BS, well maybe you should wonder what else you have to sugar coat in your life to justify)


Christians should just sit back and relax, their god will punish these people when the time comes, its not their job. They should mind their own buisness.

Roe V wade is not going to change.



Well I think it is actually the right to control everything inside your skin.
I want that right. Maybe you dont.
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« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2005, 12:35:16 PM »
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texace situation is not the main purpose of abortion as it is used today ... it is birth control . the would-be momma don't want the stretch mark, the rugrat or the change in her lifestyle ... clear and simple

texace would have had the same choice if RvW did not exist. no doc in his right mind would allow the mother to die due to complications at birth or during pregancy. But keep justifying it ...


Again; I see all the blame being put on Women.

Why isn't an offense to have unprotected sex if the product of unprotected sex is so problematic?

Why isn't there a male birth pill?

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« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2005, 12:37:56 PM »
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Abortion is a personal problem. No one's forcing any one to abort.

This however; is a much more pertinent and potentialy frightening human presumption of Godhead.


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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2005, 12:38:38 PM »
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Again; I see all the blame being put on Women.

Why isn't an offense to have unprotected sex if the product of unprotected sex is so problematic?

Why isn't there a male birth pill?



Because men are in charge you big dork:)
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