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Offline Halo

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« on: July 08, 2005, 07:26:31 PM »
What do you think of coach shotguns, the 18-inch or 20-inch double barrel shotguns enjoying a revival in western style shooting events?  

Talked with a guy today as he was buying a double barrel 20-inch, 12-gauge coach shotgun for his wife.  They live in the mountains and are being bothered more and more by black bears.  

They understand bears and don't intend to provoke them, but they also know you never know when you might be attacked for whatever reason.  

He has other weapons, including pump shotguns, but says his wife needs something as simple and effective as possible for her defense in situations as basic as going out to her car when he is not around.

I'm thinking that for a lot of home defense situations, a double barrel 12-gauge coach shotgun might be ideal.  Easy to safely store unloaded, easy to load even in the dark and while stressed, no safety per se since gotta (good grief, c--- is asterisked out) the hammers to fire, easy to reload as necessary.

Can load with anything from buckshot to deer slug or a two-shot combination.  For a quick and safe grab of a lot of firepower for someone who doesn't shoot very often, is the coach shotgun the ultimate?  

Where do you rank the coach shotgun as a home defense weapon?
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« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2005, 07:57:39 PM »
Depends on the person.  Storing the gun unloaded, the SxS double barrel shotgun is faster and easier to load than any pump (unless you happen to be one of the speed shooters that use a 97 Winchester pump in cowboy action shooting).  That alone makes it worthwhile as a home defense weapon.  Dont get me wrong, I prefer the extra rounds of the pump, but if you need to be cocked and locked in a matter of seconds instead of tens of seconds, the SxS is perfect.  Just dont pull both triggers at once.  :)

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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2005, 08:06:34 PM »
bah, if yer goin for the side by side forget the 12, buy the 20...its much prettier ;)

Theres something magical about a double 20

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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 08:11:09 PM »
In bear country this might be good medicine. Having a small ammo pack on the but of the gun is a good way to keep rounds handy but not in the gun. I am not in favor of shotguns in confined areas like you find in a home with halls and such. The spread factor with shot isn't great at short ranges under 20 yards even with open chokes so it's still easy to miss and for small folks recoil IS a bit of a pain. Given that it is bear protection and a shotgun with slugs is potent it is likely a good choice. I'd rather have a pump with the mag full but chamber empty.
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2005, 08:42:26 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2005, 08:52:26 PM »
If you're buying a shotgun for looks buy a 20ga. If you are buying one to kill buy a 12ga. Just remember a shorter barrel means a more dispersed, shorter range shot. Unless you are using slugs.;)
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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 09:22:03 PM »
The coach gun has one BIG drawback for defense. Two shots before a reload, and a reload puts it completely out of action.
Recoil is quite stiff with full loads as well.

It will work in the hands of a skilled shooter, but it is questionable at best for the average person.

And I dearly LOVE a 12 gauge coachgun.
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 09:28:43 PM »
One of the guys I used to goose hunt with used a 12 gauge 20 inch barrel and always dropped more geese than me with my 10 gauge 30" or my 12 gauge 28" choked.

For sheer elegance, I would go with a 20 gauge side by side with a 20" barrel.

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2005, 09:53:20 PM »
for bears plain and simple go with either a pump 12 guage 20" barrel with long magazine with hard slugs or a .357 revolver with hydro shoc or that size ilk.  

I fear automatics in the wilderness.  They are just too unreliable to trust your life with unless you intend to maintain them every day.
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 09:53:38 PM »
Ah, nothing puts fear in the heart of an intruder like the sound of a pump shotgun jacking a round in the dark. It means only 1 of 2 things are going to happen next. He can run or die.
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2005, 10:23:32 PM »
There is something very scary (if you are not the one producing the sound) and very reassuring (if you are the one producing the sound) about a pump shotgun.

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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2005, 05:47:36 AM »
home defense = mossberg 500 12ga with the plug out loaded with rifled slugs.  them coach guns in 20ga sure are nice looking though.

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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2005, 05:51:44 AM »
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for bears plain and simple go with either a pump 12 guage 20" barrel with long magazine with hard slugs or a .357 revolver with hydro shoc or that size ilk.  

I fear automatics in the wilderness.  They are just too unreliable to trust your life with unless you intend to maintain them every day.


.357 over .45 LC? maybe on the smaller bears but on big western bears?

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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2005, 10:08:59 AM »
For bear I think ANY expanding slug is a bad idea in a handgun. You want penetration to get through bone gristle and hide. An expanding bullet is too likely to stop before it penetrates to the vitals. A .357 with a hard cast 158 gr semi wadcutter is good IMO IF you are limiting yourself to a handgun and that is the most power you are accurate with.
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2005, 10:24:43 AM »
We hunt bear and hogs with handguns. We use Ruger and Dan Wesson revolvers, either 44 Magnum or 45 Colt. The most common loads are 300-360 grain hard cast lead bullets with a relatively large flat meplat, over copious amounts of H110 or WW296, with velocities ranging from 1200-1300 FPS.

We tried the jacketed 300 grain flat point and 300 grain jacketed hollow point, but the hardcast lead bullets seem to be more accurate, and surely give better velocity. The hollow point does expand, and that cuts down on penetration, which we prefer in bear abd hogs.

We've found that using the heavy bullets to smash through a shoulder or the base of the skull to anchor the critters quicker. Chest shots through the heart and lungs usually take MUCH longer to kill both bears and hogs, leaving them up, running, and dangerous. I saw a hog shot through the heart and one lung with a 30-06 180 grain run for a very long time and distance, and he was on his feet grunting at us when we caught him SEVERAL minutes later. He turned to run, and I shot him in the shoulder and he never moved again. I walked up and put a round in the base of his skull.

You'd be surprised at the recoil. While there is serious recoil, it is more of a slow, smooth, heavy push as opposed to a sharp snapping twist. I find them VERY enjoyable to shoot.

For deer we use 180 grain jacketed hollow cavity bullets in the 44 Magnum, at 1700-1800 feet FPS, with H110 or WW 296 powder. The deer loads don't work as well on hogs, but will work. They've even killed a bear or two, but they are not nearly so effective. The bear/hog loads work on deer, but there is not nearly enough exit wound or blood trail. The deer loads have a MUCH sharper recoil, but they do make a real cool screaming noise like the sound effect for the German tank guns from the older World War II movies.
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