Best Self-Defense Firearm

[GreenCloud]

hey u frikn hoglegged HOLY Crusaders..go start another thread

here is my hand gun safe next to my bed ..2 button push combo and its open..this is my favorite hand gun safe out there


this is my Ruger sp101..357. mag..also shoots 38. specials...its a concealed carry speical..thsi holds 5 rounds

the other is the first handgun i bought when i turned 21..Ruger p95DC (Decocker)..there is no safty on it...Love the gun..but there is defnlty bettr firing 9mmms out there..I bought it for $315$ brand new..Iit holds 15 rounds...+1 in chamber..RARELY fails to feed..but i said RAREly..not100%..id say 98%..I also have a 30 round mag for it..dam fun shooting


size comparison

my hand id say is average size..fits well..im thinkn about getting Crimson Trace for the sp101..notice the yellow arrows..that is a concealed speacil..hammer has been cut off..and barrle tip is rounded and smooth..as to not cacth on any closed when pulling out

[Martlet]

Originally posted by beet1e
Martlet - None of those crimes could be solved by having a guns for all situation. You seem to think that "more guns" is the panacea to all social ills. It isn't.

 

Really?  Are you suggesting raping, robbing, assaulting, or murdering an armed person is just as easy as if the person was unarmed?

[StarOfAfrica2]

Umm...guys?  The thread was about what firearm would be the best for self defense.  Not about whether anti-gun laws work or not.  

Beetle has embraced his country's decision to ban guns, right or wrong.  Thats fine, as he lives there.  He isnt trying to have their laws passed here, so there's no reason to keep arguing over it.  If the rate of violent crime in Britain keeps increasing, as has been suggested, then eventually it must hit a point of critical mass where a change occurs.  Let them deal with it, its their problem.  

As for you facts and figures guys, anyone who cant recognize that "official" figures put out by groups on both sides of the argument have a vested interest in convincing people they are the ones who are right, is just blind.  Both advocacy groups and anti-gun groups try to twist statistics to support their claims and distort the truth.  Only people with an interest in the subject one way or the other are going to bother collecting data on the subjects at hand.  So I'm not sure objective and unbiased data is even available.  Given that, can we maybe get a little less acrimony in these arguments, at the least?

And Beetle, while I respect your right to disagree with the American POV on guns, a thread on what firearm makes the best self defense weapon really has no place for your posts trying to stir up trouble.  I'm surprised our wonderful new MP's cant or havent done anything to stop this runaway monstrosity.  Please desist from hijacking threads about perfectly reasonable subject material, m'kay?  Thanks

[Martlet]

Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Umm...guys?  The thread was about what firearm would be the best for self defense.  Not about whether anti-gun laws work or not.  

Beetle has embraced his country's decision to ban guns, right or wrong.  Thats fine, as he lives there.  He isnt trying to have their laws passed here, so there's no reason to keep arguing over it.  If the rate of violent crime in Britain keeps increasing, as has been suggested, then eventually it must hit a point of critical mass where a change occurs.  Let them deal with it, its their problem.  

As for you facts and figures guys, anyone who cant recognize that "official" figures put out by groups on both sides of the argument have a vested interest in convincing people they are the ones who are right, is just blind.  Both advocacy groups and anti-gun groups try to twist statistics to support their claims and distort the truth.  Only people with an interest in the subject one way or the other are going to bother collecting data on the subjects at hand.  So I'm not sure objective and unbiased data is even available.  Given that, can we maybe get a little less acrimony in these arguments, at the least?

And Beetle, while I respect your right to disagree with the American POV on guns, a thread on what firearm makes the best self defense weapon really has no place for your posts trying to stir up trouble.  I'm surprised our wonderful new MP's cant or havent done anything to stop this runaway monstrosity.  Please desist from hijacking threads about perfectly reasonable subject material, m'kay?  Thanks

sorry.

[Jackal1]

OK Beet....I`ll take that as answer to the question which we allready knew to begin with. You have no input on the subject matter being discussed what so ever. How could you? You have no knowledge or experience pertaining to it.
 

AdmRose, as I stated earlier, you can now see that there are many different opinions and favorites with different folks. It just a matter of gleaning a little from all, then making a decision on what you are the most comfortable with.

[Iceman24]

beet1e

you are right buddy the 3 G's
but you forgot about the drugs and alcohol
I for 1 never go shooting while I'm sober
It steadies my aim and helps me not to think about what I'm about to do


you know what the sad thing is, we have only been around for 300 years you are right, but in that 300 years we have come out as the strongest nation in the world. I don't care what your response is, apart from all the Michael Moore anti US bullcrap thats floating around this room, theres not 1 person in the US that would switch with anybody else, and theres no other nation in the world that has soo many people waiting for citizenship. Its ok Beet1e even though you don't like America, we will still protect you from your enemy's because your country can't do it. We understand that you are jealous of our country and that you really want to live here. In short this is America's world now, not the UN's we really don't care about your country's very much, but we will do whatever it takes to maintain the "AMERICAN WAY" of life. If that means killing everybody then we will do it. After all we are the American Infidels aren't we hahahahahahahahaha

[beet1e]

Martlet - I'm saying that simply flooding our country with guns would not make those social ills you described go away. It would solve some problems maybe, but would create a whole load of others. Many people would not want to have to carry a gun, and criminals would be able to get them easily.

Jackal! I don't remember what your original question was. As for my area being Dullesville, and as for you knowing so much about where I live, can you name the small town 5 miles North of me which has just hosted a world famous sporting event which attracted teams from all over the world, including the USA?

Africa - come on, it's a gun thread - anything goes!

Iceman24!

Its ok Beet1e even though you don't like America, we will still protect you from your enemy's because your country can't do it. We understand that you are jealous of our country and that you really want to live here.

I HAVE lived there. I had two separate work assignments there. One was long (1979-82) and the other was just a few months in 1997. I was married to an American, and could have stayed. It was OK, and I had a good time.

As for people wanting citizenship - Britain surely beats the US with regard to immigrant applications per sq. mile.

[lazs2]

yep... thread was about best gun..   the brits and women chimed in about how frightened they were of firearms and then proved how banning them was a good thing because at worst... it only increased crime slightly and at best it..... well... it did nothing but disarm citizens who might never need to defend themselves anyway...

shouldn't you gun phobic guys get on a womens thread somewhere that asks what is the best cell phone for getting the police to come and rescue you or the easiest phone for bystanders calling the ambulannce to use?

lazs

[Skydancer]

Greencloud you need to tidy up yourside of the bed mate! Its looking a bit rank  :lol

[SarinGas]

I couldnt have said it better!

Originally posted by lazs2
yep... thread was about best gun..   the brits and women chimed in about how frightened they were of firearms and then proved how banning them was a good thing because at worst... it only increased crime slightly and at best it..... well... it did nothing but disarm citizens who might never need to defend themselves anyway...

shouldn't you gun phobic guys get on a womens thread somewhere that asks what is the best cell phone for getting the police to come and rescue you or the easiest phone for bystanders calling the ambulannce to use?

lazs

[Skydancer]

Phobic my a

We  r just know s were better e off and like to point it out now and again:aok

[GtoRA2]

Originally posted by Skydancer


Phobic my a

We  r just know s were better e off and like to point it out now and again:aok

I think I am getting your humor now, cause that is just laughable.

[lazs2]

skyprancer... I can't imagine an area that you are better off than we are here in the states...

If I were going to envy a country based on their firearms laws it would probly be switzerland.

lazs

[Iceman24]

If the US closed its borders and stopped all its trade with the outside world and basically disappeared. Just about every country would starve to death in a couple of months and someone else would step up and take over and you would really hate it. Not saying we have the exact right ideas, but if any other country would like to step up and lead a little bit, do something, get a military, become a world power.. At least country's like Afghanistan and Iraq have enough guts to step up to the plate, its country's like england, and france, most euro country's that won't do anything, you guys won't do anything to get a real economy. establish a market and trade system with the rest of the world, basically get some money then an army.. I mean you guys did have a 300 year start considering we are only 300 years old. OK we had 300 years, but in those 300 years we made more progress and did more to create better ways to live than in the whole history of the world... I'll be the 1st to admit I think America will not last very long and that's because I think you have to rule with an iron fist, you have to do it like the romans did. They tried having a democratic society and they tried it for a lil bit, but they were smart enough to know that wouldn't work, you have to rule like a king, sure they had a bunch of F-ups but they were around for 10,000 years. Basically I don't think people can rule themselves because they get greedy and always want more. If I were in charge it would be the republic of the US and if you werent in the US then you would be the enemy just like the romans did. Eventually the rest of the world would join up or die, you then have no more enemy's. Being nice to everybody doesn't ( hasn't ever ) worked, people just take advantage of it. And everybody may hate George Bush and think he's a sleazy oil baron, but I will compare him with any politician in any country and I bet he's not any worse than they are. All leaders and all politicians are scum bags, that is the only way to get into that position. Beet1e you may be right buddy, who knows I may be right, the only problem is me or you can't do anything about it except gripe about it hahaha

[lazs2]

iceman... and that is exactly why a revolver in .357 with a 1 3/4 to 4" barrel is the best self defense handgun....

thank you for getting us back on subject.

lazs