Author Topic: Dive bombing with heavies? (Read 1977 times)

Krusty · « **Reply #15 on:** July 28, 2005, 02:02:09 PM »

Forget that.. what they need to do is quadrupple field ack. Take away single 20mm emplacements and add batteries of sandbags inside the same pad. Thus instead of 1 gun you have 4, all firing at the same target. And increase their rate of fire.

The sandbags mean that if a plane makes a cannon attack at one gun, and hits it, the other guns are not touched. Meanwhile, to MAKE said attack you have to brave 4 separate guns all shooting at you. A small bomb will take them all out... A rocket might take 1-2 out. But intensify the hail of gunfire from a field (at least at low-level).

In real life an entire SQUADRON of tempests made a super-fast low-level attack at a LW airfield. Only 2 made it out alive, and one of those was so damaged it crashed shortly afterward.

The dinky "Kindergarten" ack we have is the reason people dive lever bombers. There's nothing to deter them. Basically they can get away with it. So just make them DIE much faster and they'll stop.

SlapShot · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2005, 02:17:41 PM »

Boy ... the strateegerist aren't gonna like you Krusty.

Just think what that would do to "milkrunnin'" as we know it.

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2005, 03:06:07 PM »

That is an idea Krusty.

It'd make ack running a huge issue though.

Kweassa · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2005, 03:22:18 PM »

Gonna hurt the score whoring vulch lovers more than it hurts the 'strateegerist'.

LePaul · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2005, 03:48:01 PM »

So in short, code the program so you dont have to take damage, intercept those pesky bombers, etc etc?

pellik · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2005, 03:50:46 PM »

A heavy in a sharp dive at 350+ just shouldn't be able to pull out. It wouldn't stop the dive bombing necessarily, but loss of control would make it very difficult to adjust course to aim for a target or survive.

Kweassa · « **Reply #21 on:** July 28, 2005, 04:17:49 PM »

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A heavy in a sharp dive at 350+ just shouldn't be able to pull out. It wouldn't stop the dive bombing necessarily, but loss of control would make it very difficult to adjust course to aim for a target or survive.

We wouldn't call them "suicidal buffers" if they intended to survive in the first place, pell.

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Anyways, a beefed up ack defense won't be bad initially. For one thing, it would push the fight away from the field.

But the lame side is gonna be unbearable. Just thinking about all those ack-huggers makes my head spin.

I say stick to the "limit bomb drops to bombardier position" idea.

Lye-El · « **Reply #22 on:** July 28, 2005, 04:21:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Forget that.. what they need to do is quadrupple field ack. Take away single 20mm emplacements and add batteries of sandbags inside the same pad. Thus instead of 1 gun you have 4, all firing at the same target. And increase their rate of fire.

The sandbags mean that if a plane makes a cannon attack at one gun, and hits it, the other guns are not touched. Meanwhile, to MAKE said attack you have to brave 4 separate guns all shooting at you. A small bomb will take them all out... A rocket might take 1-2 out. But intensify the hail of gunfire from a field (at least at low-level).

In real life an entire SQUADRON of tempests made a super-fast low-level attack at a LW airfield. Only 2 made it out alive, and one of those was so damaged it crashed shortly afterward.

The dinky "Kindergarten" ack we have is the reason people dive lever bombers. There's nothing to deter them. Basically they can get away with it. So just make them DIE much faster and they'll stop.

Rodger that! I'm either spending time in the tower waiting for the VH or the ack to come up or jumping from base to base trying to find a VH up. The FH are up all over. The VH is the primary target. Not the FH.If the ack does come up it lasts about 20 seconds. If you do manage to shoot a plane down, they are back in less that 10 minutes fully loaded. The bombers don't have much to fear especially without air cover. V Bases often go wanting for air and only have one manned ack. How many times does an Ack or Osti Land 5 or more kills? Even with twenty fighters and three flights of bombers circleing on the deck?

Zazen not included

pellik · « **Reply #23 on:** July 28, 2005, 10:55:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
We wouldn't call them "suicidal buffers" if they intended to survive in the first place, pell.

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Anyways, a beefed up ack defense won't be bad initially. For one thing, it would push the fight away from the field.

But the lame side is gonna be unbearable. Just thinking about all those ack-huggers makes my head spin.

I say stick to the "limit bomb drops to bombardier position" idea.

More severe loss of control at high speeds would destroy their ability to make accurate drops, as well as hinder survival. If someone wants to dive in and suicide dive over and over without ever hitting a target then they don't bother me so much. It's the ones who suicide maybe twice and have the field hangers all disabled that get on my nerves.

Raider179 · « **Reply #24 on:** July 28, 2005, 11:30:55 PM »

If you are worried about Dive bombing Lancs and bombers, you should worry more about how you are flying. I find low level bombers easy pickens. Sounds like shoddy base defense if a set of low level lancs gets through. You ought to be ashamed.

pellik · « **Reply #25 on:** July 28, 2005, 11:34:55 PM »

You dive on the low level ones and the next wave commin in at 20k is well out of reach.

gatt · « **Reply #26 on:** July 29, 2005, 02:30:22 AM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
If you are worried about Dive bombing Lancs and bombers, you should worry more about how you are flying. I find low level bombers easy pickens. Sounds like shoddy base defense if a set of low level lancs gets through. You ought to be ashamed.

Do yourself a favour and read better above posts, eh? What is dweebish is the multiple kamikaze divebombing with level bombers. You CANT stop three Lancasters suicide-diving from, say, 10K to the ground. Maybe one of them.

The problem is that they dont want to survive. Medium and low level bomber raids dont worry me, take a look at my STATS if you want to know if I love engaging bombers in any situation.

"Shoddy base defence. You ought to be ashamed"? LOL

, wait!, you are probably one of them!

Raider179 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 29, 2005, 06:28:45 PM »

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Originally posted by gatt
Do yourself a favour and read better above posts, eh? What is dweebish is the multiple kamikaze divebombing with level bombers. You CANT stop three Lancasters suicide-diving from, say, 10K to the ground. Maybe one of them.

The problem is that they dont want to survive. Medium and low level bomber raids dont worry me, take a look at my STATS if you want to know if I love engaging bombers in any situation.

"Shoddy base defence. You ought to be ashamed"? LOL , wait!, you are probably one of them!

favor not favour

read better above posts should be read the above posts better, eh?

do everyone a favor and check your spelling and grammer it hurts my eyes.

Furball · « **Reply #28 on:** July 29, 2005, 06:32:00 PM »

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Originally posted by Raider179
favor not favour

do everyone a favor and check your spelling and grammer it hurts my eyes.

yeah, how dare he type in real english.

hubsonfire · « **Reply #29 on:** July 29, 2005, 08:34:08 PM »

BTW, the word is spelled G-R-A-M-M-A-R.