Author Topic: Dive bombing with heavies? (Read 2095 times)

Skydancer · « **Reply #45 on:** August 02, 2005, 07:54:49 AM »

Could it be that those low alt raids are only ending up as suicide runs because after bombing the buff pilot gets ganged by fightersand shot out of the sky. Bet they are not all intentional suicide runs, speaking from experience. buffs need escorts as the real heroes of WW2 learned at high cost.

Kweassa · « **Reply #46 on:** August 02, 2005, 07:56:40 AM »

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Just for info Lancs were used at low alt. Dambusters anyone?

And how many such irregular sorties were made, compared to the more conventional use of bombers?

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Actualy I think the buffs are under used.

They are misused, not underused.

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I'd like to see an incentive to up em en masse. Now that would be a sight. Big buff formations flying over tgts with fighter escorts, all good stuff. Make the towns or cities more of a difficult tgt. At the moment Hvy fighters are mainly used with the odd buff formation. Make base capture a buff job.

Why would anyone want to take the painstaking process of organizing a large buff mission, complete with escorts, when the target they hit would probably reup even before they return home?

Hitting field related objects is just not the answer. No amount of field objects, or no matter what the size of the town - it still will not bring people into buffs, or much less make them fly buffs like buffs.

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Also why not allow buffs to disable bases by cratering the runways.

Because that sucks.

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All this would make the game far more strategic and involving than the mad furball it is at the moment!

People like mad furballs.

Kweassa · « **Reply #47 on:** August 02, 2005, 08:00:54 AM »

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Could it be that those low alt raids are only ending up as suicide runs because after bombing the buff pilot gets ganged by fightersand shot out of the sky. Bet they are not all intentional suicide runs, speaking from experience. buffs need escorts as the real heroes of WW2 learned at high cost.

They may not be intentional in that the pilot sure wouldn't want to be shot down.

But they are intentional in that they know the odds of surviving a bombing mission at that alt is practically zero - and yet it they do it anyway.

Buffs need escorts? They need alt before they need escorts.

No fighter pilot is going to waste time and take foolish risks, following around a loser flying at 3k in a buff, who will probably die anyways.

They're not worth the escort.

SMIDSY · « **Reply #48 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:32:08 AM »

why not just make it so that bombs explode when they hit planes (including the one that dropped em?) also they would explode if they hit other bombs while in flight so that zero-G salvos would result in tragedy for the historically inacurate buff missuseres.

Mak333 · « **Reply #49 on:** August 03, 2005, 03:02:05 PM »

Maybe put a down-time for suicides - say 5-10 minutes. Once you auger into the ground, you can not re-up for 5-10 minutes.

Blooz · « **Reply #50 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:45:28 PM »

How would the game know that you augered on purpose?

What if you fell out of the sky by accident?

I say lose some points per death. Maybe a couple perks too.

All this suicide stuff would come to a complete stop then.

Mak333 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 03, 2005, 04:56:37 PM »

It wouldn't know if you augered on purpose but.. You don't just "fall out of the sky" by accident. You either get shot down, or you aren't paying attention to your friggin altitude - Its one or the other.

Also... I suggested this a long time ago. Perk the formation bombers. 5 perks for 1 extra bomber, and 10 perks for 2 extra bombers.

This should keep down the amount of damage done by these kamakaze men.

Kev367th · « **Reply #52 on:** August 06, 2005, 04:53:17 PM »

No need to perk them, as has been suggested MANY times, make dropping eggs on the appropriate models ONLY available in the bombadiers view (F6).
EASY aint it.

MOIL · « **Reply #53 on:** August 07, 2005, 05:51:32 PM »

Hhhmmmm

The "dive bombing" bombers {17's,Lanc's,B26's & 24's} threads sure comes up a lot

SuperDud · « **Reply #54 on:** August 07, 2005, 06:14:17 PM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
No need to perk them, as has been suggested MANY times, make dropping eggs on the appropriate models ONLY available in the bombadiers view (F6).
EASY aint it.

This is the best suggestion I've heard and makes the most sense.

NHawk · « **Reply #55 on:** August 08, 2005, 06:20:14 AM »

Agreed, allow bombing from bombadiers position only in the planes that couldn't dive bomb.

OR, rip the darned wings off of a diving bomber that didn't have that ability. That will stop it very quickly.

gatt · « **Reply #56 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:03:43 AM »

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Originally posted by Kev367th
... make dropping eggs on the appropriate models ONLY available in the bombadiers view (F6)

What Alky and Kev said. IMO, the best solution.

Hitech, do you thing this is something that could be implemented in the near future?

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #57 on:** August 08, 2005, 09:07:47 AM »

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Originally posted by NHawk
Agreed, allow bombing from bombadiers position only in the planes that couldn't dive bomb.

OR, rip the darned wings off of a diving bomber that didn't have that ability. That will stop it very quickly.

The dropping only from bombadiers pos suggestion has been around for quite a while.
Dont think they will insitute the wings ripping beyond what its already set at as I seem to remember a thread where HT said something to the effect that the aircraft were capable of such manuvers unless someone could prove that wrong he wouldnt change it.

I think the real question and arguement should possibly be with the dropping bombs from the bombadiers pos.

I'm not 100% positive but Im pretty sure the pilot didnt have the ability to drop bombs from his position and if he did I think it can be easily argued that he didnt have a bombsite and thus even if he did have that ability to drop bombs he couldnt do so with anything even remotely resembling any kind of reasonable expectation of accuracy.

Here, some of these guys do it with pinpoint precision

NHawk · « **Reply #58 on:** August 08, 2005, 11:10:18 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
The dropping only from bombadiers pos suggestion has been around for quite a while.
Dont think they will insitute the wings ripping beyond what its already set at as I seem to remember a thread where HT said something to the effect that the aircraft were capable of such manuvers unless someone could prove that wrong he wouldnt change it.....

The lancaster was able to dive to it's target at a limit of about 360mph. However, to the best of my knowledge bombs were not able to be dropped from the pilot position.

Just about any maneuver is able to be done with any plane. Heck a 747 can to a loop. But, that doesn't mean you'll ever see one do it. At least not intentionally.

The wings ripping off was just something I tossed out there. While not realistic, it would stop the practice.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #59 on:** August 08, 2005, 07:17:48 PM »

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Originally posted by NHawk
The lancaster was able to dive to it's target at a limit of about 360mph. However, to the best of my knowledge bombs were not able to be dropped from the pilot position.

Then perhaps it should be asked at what angle. and how much control did the bombadier have in the pitch of the aircraft.
And how fast the aircraft would reach that redline speed at a given pitch.

I would imagine that nosing a plane down while looking through a bombsite would be very disorienting and care would have to be givin so that he didnt drive the plane into the ground.

Course he we have a few that do do it intentionally