Arkansas and evolution :D

[Pup]

cabby drop it, Christianity is based on faith more then anything and not facts and thats why so many people have a hard time beleiving in it...People fear or don't beleive what they cannot see, therefore they laugh at others who have the guts to have faith in something.  Even if God is not real(oh and you better beleive he is) what do you as a human being have to lose?  If there is no after life oh well no biggie, if there is you have eternal life in Heaven with the Creator himself...If you don't accept him and there is a God, you just lost big time, you are in Hell for eternity (eternity think about that will you, never ending forever no end etc..)burning and suffering..I don't know about you but hehe thats one gamble I sure won't lose...Anyhow, cabby you cannot sway them just sow the seed and eventually smoeone will harvest it.  Don't forget the seed parable   . Anywho, flame away guys, but the day of reckoning is coming, and I do feel sorry for you.

Pup out

P.S: I can send you a book stating all the reason why evelotion is not true if you like..

[This message has been edited by Pup (edited 03-28-2001).]

[-towd_]

ok so really you base you belief in god on fear of punishment in the hearafter.
what a sad way to go thru life cowerdice dictating your eternity.
just seems like a crappy eternity to me.

[StSanta]

Voss, if god works in mysterious way, I work in quite open ones  .

He wasn't a birdwatcher. Til I spotted the opportunity. he was blind as a bat - til Igave him supervision.

Have fun with your toy  

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"If you return from a mission with a victory, but without your Rottenflieger, you have lost your battle."
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[hblair]

Cabby, don't you know it just aint k3\/\/l to be standing up for creationism? Fortunately I gave up cool when I got outa high school.  

I believe in creationism, ie. God. I don't have time to post all my research, as I have a job here and not much time. Although I backslide all the time, I believe the teachings of Jesus Christ are true.

There. Slam me, I can take it.  

[Tac]

You can believe anything you want Hblair, Cabby, even St.Santa.

The thing here is, people are debating over a matter of science vs a matter of faith. The 2 will never agree. One is based on evidence and logic, the other one on tradition and spritual beliefs.

IMO, religion is a tool. People have used it for thousands and thousands of years to gain power, excersise power, comfort themselves in tough situations, be one with the universe, explain the unexplainable, etc. That these tools have produced amazing results and advances in sociological thinking and in moral grounds, it is their greatest achievement.

I have read the bible, budhist texts, shinto scriptures, a bit of the koran , jaininst texts, and a lot more. The CONCEPTS you gain from them are truly amazing. I just sift throught the creation stories or how-to-worship guides in those texts and find the ideals and basis behind those religions.

You should try it, you may find the greatest legacy of the ancients there.

[SageFIN]

Can't resist stirring the pot little more. For a fun read you people might want to visit http://www.hedning.no/hedning/arkiv/cookies/  . It's full of gems  .

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"I think I´ll believe in Gosh instead of God.  If you don´t
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[figaro]

Now this is rich...

I am a Mac user and flight sim enthusiast who doesn´t have the pleasure of  playing AH.  As an exclusively WB flyer by necessity, I am naturally incensed by the systematic misinformation and arrogance appearing on this board regarding my favorite (and only) flight sim, WB.  It is only comparable to the equally systematic misinformation and arrogance appearing on AGW regarding this sim,  AH.

So I was naturally  delighted by brave souls such as cabby, bravely and explicitly setting some facts straight over here (There are a few of you AHers performing the same necessary function on AGW).

And today...

My heartfelt congratulations to StSanta for one of the most comprehensive, clear, and respectful explanations of the absolutely undisputable fact that all living organisms are part of a constantly evolving, common family which shares the same origins.

For essentially religious reasons (damn them once again) some people manage to completely suspend their natural capacity for reason, which is precisely what distinguishes us from the rest of the animal family.  

And to paraphrase from the French:

"Man is neither angel nor beast, but he becomes a beast when he thinks he´s an angel"

Things like faith, or creation, or the meaning of life, or the existence of god and our own uniqueness and spirituality, have no relevance in this debate and do not contradict evolution, a proven fact, in the least .

The reasons have been expressed by StSanta much more clearly than I could ever do.  Sorry Cabby, you are very, very wrong this time.  And after having been right so many times, albeit on a different subject!

Cheers

figaro

[Arfann]

Quote:
The thing I love the most about atheists is that if they realize that death is closing in on them they throw their modern day Scientific World-Order really fast over board, then they whine the loudest "Oh great God forgive me for not believing".

[hblair]

When I say I believe in creationism, I don't mean I know exactly how all species came about. The bible may have simplified it for us in the 'seven days' explanation. Perhaps some evolution is involved.


Sage, apparently the guy that put that page together evolved directly from neandrathal <sp?>. He ever heard of linking pages? That ho takes 5 minutes to load.

Some of it's funny, but seems like he's trying a little too hard.  

[Arfann]

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The thing I love the most about atheists is that if they realize that death is closing in on them they throw their modern day Scientific World-Order really fast over board, then they whine the loudest "Oh great God forgive me for not believing".
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Sorry for the double post. (gotta watch which buttons ya click   In response to the above quote I can only say that, for me, it was exactly the opposite. I tried real hard to be a believer right up to the point the folks all around me were falling to the rounds of the "Godless Commies" and it looked like my time was soon to come. Decided right then and there that if there was an all loving, all powerful, One he had a perverted sense of humor regarding mankind that I couldn't hope to comprehend. So I quit trying. And the longer I'm "away" the easier it is to see the "spin" applied to every day occurrances by peoples' religious paradigms. Nope, ain't no fox-hole Christian or death-bed confessions going on here.

GronK
 

[Pup]

yes I do fear Gods wrath in the afterlife I also know that I am forgiven for everything I had done. LOL Go through life letting "cowardice dictacing my life" LOL, oh man towd you are a funny guy..

Gallan out

[Tac]

"The thing I love the most about atheists is that if they realize that death is closing in on them they throw their modern day Scientific World-Order really fast over board, then they whine the loudest "Oh great God forgive me for not believing"

Ironically, that only applies to those who come from a god-worshipping background. I wonder what atheists from Hindu, Buddhist, etc backgrounds say when they die.

Hmm... to each his own.

In any way, why worry? You WILL find that out eventually.

[ICEWIND]

The strange thing most western people nowadays is that they like to deny, despite all scientific Knowledge we have, that the conversion rate to other Religions like Islam(especially in America) are growing rapidly. Strange sects and other Occult believes are emerging up all over the place. Anyone wonder why?

I know it is not very modern to say this, but as far as I am concerned one of the greatest gifts that Man(Men) has received is the burning raging  hellfire in his head. It is the strongest and the most intensive emotion we will ever have. It is the Paradox link between our Flesh and our Soul and it is a thin thread that links us to God.
Only a fool can claim that God can be subjected be any sort of knowledge!! Even Religion is not more than a small glimpse at the Gate.

[Cabby]

Quote:

"Cabby, you do not seem to grasp even the simplest concepts of evolution, "

The "concept" YOU fail to realize is Evolution is not a fact.  To claim otherwise is just  blowing smoke up somebody's a**.  

Until you can PROVE beyond a shadow of a doubt Evolution is a FACT(something you CANNOT do), you have no more intellectual(or scientific for that matter) authority in your BELIEFS than some New Age hippy-dippy crystal worshipper.

And THAT's a fact, Jack.  

Now take your "i'm-so-superior-to-you-ignorant-believers-in-the-supernatural" attitude and "evolve" an open, questioning mind.  

Cabby<show-me-the-money>Cabby

[Thud]

But there are large amounts of indications which make evolution as a concept a very likely hypothesis. These indications are generally facts themselves (i.e. fossyls etc.) the concept they could support not though. On the other hand regarding the concept of creationism, there are no indications whatsoever which support or even vaguely point to the validity of this belief.

So I don't say that creationism is wrong and evolution is right (very simply put) but evolution is more likely to resemble the truth behind our existence than creationism. This because the last -ism is as much supported as the philosophy of the New Age hippy-dippy crystal worshipper.  

<S!> to all
 

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Bring the Hurricane (MKIIC) to AH! (together with the Invader!)