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Offline lazs2

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« Reply #75 on: August 09, 2005, 02:20:11 PM »
dependance?  what the hell does that mean?   Are we talking money here?  allmost every adult parent has life insurance and such and a single parent can remarry..  kids all get SS from the parent..

But who cares?  the money isn't the thing... A child is innocent and full of potential..   Like I said.. I don't want to survive my kidds I really don't know of any parent who does.

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« Reply #76 on: August 09, 2005, 03:23:48 PM »
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dependance?  what the hell does that mean?   Are we talking money here?  allmost every adult parent has life insurance and such and a single parent can remarry..  kids all get SS from the parent..


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Yes, I'm talking about money. That is the only thing of value that a parent can provide to their child. :rolleyes:
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« Reply #77 on: August 09, 2005, 06:47:07 PM »
life i s just prio numbero uno.
i cannot provide life unfortunaly

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« Reply #78 on: August 09, 2005, 08:18:19 PM »
....and if they had waited even longer,and the father turned the gun on the child,the second guessers here would be screaming the police should have taken action sooner.

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« Reply #79 on: August 10, 2005, 08:28:43 AM »
sandie.. a child is innocent and full of potential... he is potentially worth more than the adult.   If money is what you are worried about.

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« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2005, 10:10:41 PM »
Until the case goes through the courts there will likley be no reliable information out there. Until the info is released and the issue is tried in the courts things will be kept pretty closed up. I would consider any information to be extremely suspect until it gets to the courts given that litigation has already been threatened.

Until it is rsolved anything else is mere speculation. You super duper armchair tactical genius's keep on it. All it is is "hot air" that you're spreading as you were not there, not in the negotiations and certainly not in the decision loop. Don't let that stop your criticism of actions you have never been close to outside of a TV show.

I'll refuse to further feed your trolls in this issue.

Please note not once have I taken a stance on whether the Officers did the right OR wrong thing here. I can't as I wasn't there either. At least I won't castigate them for having the poor fortune of having to be there themselves and work in what was likely to be a no win situation.

I do know one simple thing that is not contested. The one person who could have stopped it all by himself and see to it no one was injured, including the child, was dear old dad. He had absolutely no legal, moral or rational jutification for what he did. I find it absolutely rediculous that so much criticism is leveled at the Police yet almost none to the person who used his own child as a hostage and shield. Pathetic actually.
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« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2005, 11:16:51 PM »
Ruby ridge, should make every American ashamed of the government.


Read up on it. It was a travesty.


I am not talking about on the nut job sites either, read up on it on http://www.crimelibrary.com.


Randy weaver won a huge settlement from the government over them murdering his wife. Yet not one ATF or FBI agent lost their jobs or went to jail.

Guess its ok for the government murder Americans as long as they are a bit on the fringe so the news media can make them look like nuts.

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« Reply #82 on: August 11, 2005, 08:17:45 AM »
mav... I have taken no stance on it either as I don't know the facts but... I believe the government should take every precaution to not harm children.    That may include storming the place and taking a big chance.

It was uncalled for in ruby ridge and waco and Ohio state even.   Still... In genereal.. I trust the government with firearms... so long as they trust me with em.    The balance is delicate.   Government becomes much less polite when they are the only ones armed.

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